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Old 09-12-2014 | 10:57 AM
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Originally Posted by kfahmi
Yeah, I've learned that the folks who instantly volunteer to tell you about their combat experiences...are usually the guys who never got anywhere near the action.

One of my best private-pilot students was a medical doctor. Very quiet, polite, soft-spoken. If you met him, you'd instantly peg him as an accountant. I knew him for about three years before I managed to find out that he had served multiple tours as an Army Ranger and had fought in the Mogadishu battle depicted in 'Black Hawk Down.' I only got this out of him after a large number of beers, and even then he refused to say anything other than that he had been there and he lost some buddies.

My wife's dad served as a Marine infantry lieutenant in I Corps, 1966-67. To this day he refuses to say anything about the experience, even to his own wife, other than his rank, dates of service, and the fact that he did see combat.

And yet, as a nation, we glamorize and celebrate pop stars, rather than the people who fight and die to keep us safe.

To keep this aviation-related...I learned that SkyWest started with a couple of Cherokees. Who knew?
These guys don't talk about this stuff, because it is very painful and brings back nightmares they want to forget. My grandmother's 2nd husband served on destroyer in WW2. He never said much about it, other than it was hard work in sweltering heat. One day he just blurts out about how his buddies were burned up in front of his eyes and all he could do was watch. Then he went out to the garden to work. It;s not all modesty, they've experienced some awful things.
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Old 09-12-2014 | 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by kfahmi
And on the flip side of that, when I graduated college in 1994, no regional would even talk to you for the right seat in a Metro, Bandit, or SF340 unless you had a bare minimum of 3000 TT, 500 ME, preferably with at least 100 turbine. Competitive mins were more like 4000TT/1000ME/200 turbine.

Even getting a job at Amflight on the Piper Lance required ATP mins if I remember correctly.

How times change.
times have changed, piloting used to be a respected profession.
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Old 09-12-2014 | 11:13 AM
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The "Cone of Silence." A- N, A- N......Nooooooooo!
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Old 09-12-2014 | 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by RJ Pilot
Back then, regional pilots dressed professionally. There were no "Chad's".
Oh come on....there have ALWAYS been "Chad"s

Hell yeah!

I might not get to compete with you old guys on flying but hell my primary training was:

152 $45/he
Instructor $25/hr

....in Los Angeles
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Old 09-12-2014 | 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Salukipilot4590
Oh come on....there have ALWAYS been "Chad"s

Hell yeah!

I might not get to compete with you old guys on flying but hell my primary training was:

152 $45/he
Instructor $25/hr

....in Los Angeles
I think the 172 I learned in was $40/hr including gas & instructor
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Old 09-12-2014 | 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by spaaks
times have changed, piloting used to be a respected profession.
I honestly think it still is.
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Old 09-12-2014 | 12:58 PM
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Speaking of earlier regional aircraft. IIRC the EMB-110 "Bandit" was unpressurized. Did everyone spend all day at 8,000' like in the ol' DC-3 days?
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Old 09-12-2014 | 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by kfahmi
I honestly think it still is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ezo..._U&app=desktop
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Old 09-12-2014 | 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by kfahmi
I think the difference is that nobody expected to spend 8--10 years at the regionals. I knew a bunch of guys who got hired at the regionals back in the 90s and they all upgraded within a couple years and got to the majors maybe 5 years later.

Then 9/11 happened...
That, and the first year at a Major was 6 figures.
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Old 09-12-2014 | 01:29 PM
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That, and the first year at a Major was 6 figures.
Izzat right? I didn't know that...
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