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Old 10-12-2014 | 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by galaxy flyer
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You need to read Flying the Line, then come back with questions. RLA basically rules out cross-company or national unions covering several companies. The RLA was written to prevent strikes or lock-outs crippling transportation., not to give either the company or union that much power.

As to transferring jobs, if you can't have trans-company unions, explain how to get to national seniority? Before that, explain how to operate a large number of interchangeable members of a craft except thru seniority?

As to pay, google Decision 83 of the National Labor Board


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"Decision 83 established minimum wages and maximum hours for pilots across the industry. It also attempted to compensate pilots at least partially for technological changes by relating pay to increasing aircraft speed. The decision protected wages and hours only of pilots employed by airlines carrying mail under contract to the Post Office Dept., it established de facto industrywide protection". (Air Transportation, A Management Perspective; A.T. Wells , J.G. Wensveen).

"The wage formula of Decision 83 was later included in the Air Mail Act of 1934 and the Civil Aeronautics Act of 1938. With the passage of the Airline Deregulation Act of 1978, they were formally abolished". (Air Trnsportation).

My APA format is probably off. Haven't written a research paper in awhile. However, Decision 83 along with the Air Mail Act of 1934 was abolished in 1978.

Again, why do we not receive compensation for our experience when moving from one company to the next?

"Industry Wide Bargaining became a reality in 1934 through Decision 83 of the NLRB, which was established under the National Recovery Act". (Air Transportation,).

So with the passage of the Airline Deregulation Act, we also lost the ability to negotiate as an industry? Notice I did not say strike.

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Old 10-12-2014 | 07:16 PM
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Again, why do we not receive compensation for our experience when moving from one company to the next?
Seniority, change companies, you go to the bottom.

The RLA prevents industry-wide bargaining.

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Old 11-22-2014 | 07:56 AM
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The article is spot on. I'm not sure why you are disagreeing. I believe it's the incredibly high pay on the high end of the pilot scale (captains make 250k+ a year) that led to need for this regional shell game that has kept wages so incredibly low (20-30k for a first year FO).

Every major airline manager would love to have the regional flying done in house. They would reap the revenue and profits that would grow their airline and their stock price. Unfortunately, it is the less of two evils to give that flying to regional airlines that keep labor costs low, rather than keeping that flying in house.

Regional FO's should start out at ~50k and Major Captains should end up at ~150k. The higher that top line number goes, the lower that bottom line number will go. The career earnings of a pilot have stayed the same for roughly the last 20 years. It's just where it is distributed that has changed. You can blame the unions for that.
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Old 11-22-2014 | 08:01 AM
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Originally Posted by ryane946
The article is spot on. I'm not sure why you are disagreeing. I believe it's the incredibly high pay on the high end of the pilot scale (captains make 250k+ a year) that led to need for this regional shell game that has kept wages so incredibly low (20-30k for a first year FO).

Every major airline manager would love to have the regional flying done in house. They would reap the revenue and profits that would grow their airline and their stock price. Unfortunately, it is the less of two evils to give that flying to regional airlines that keep labor costs low, rather than keeping that flying in house.

Regional FO's should start out at ~50k and Major Captains should end up at ~150k. The higher that top line number goes, the lower that bottom line number will go. The career earnings of a pilot have stayed the same for roughly the last 20 years. It's just where it is distributed that has changed. You can blame the unions for that.
It's highly unlikely you are even going to get 150K at the top end in the future. Airlines already know that regional pilots are willing to go without pay just to fly and will offer very little resistance other than *****ing on a forum.
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