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Originally Posted by skypilot35 (Post 1742875)

I think the "It sucked for me, so it should suck for you mentality" is slowly going away. 20 years ago there was a surplus of pilots. That is not the case in 2014.

Lol not if you buy into a large portion of posters in this section lol, notice I didn't say pilots, not sure how many of the loud complainers are actual pilots lol, there has always and will always be a surplus of pilots, competition is good, ever notice that the main entities that always profess they have access to the future pilot shortage crystal ball are always flight schools ? Buy a December copy of plane and pilot for every year going back 40 years and find the copy that says we are going to have a pilot surplus 😃 again the system has been the same for 30 plus years, the pilots that do the best the quickest are the ones that learn to play the game the fastest, time and time again you hear of the fed-x guy that did maybe 3-4years at a regional, hardly ever meet or hear from a mainline guy that did 15 years at the regionals

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Originally Posted by skypilot35 (Post 1742875)

I think the "It sucked for me, so it should suck for you mentality" is slowly going away. 20 years ago there was a surplus of pilots. That is not the case in 2014.

The only way to say there was a surplus 20 years ago is to count all the pilots on furlough. Also, the mins to get hired back then to fly a metroliner, banderante or some other ragged out TP were higher than the ATP rule today.

Yeah, sorry you've been a FO for a couple years.

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Originally Posted by Swedish Blender (Post 1742891)

They were way higher to fly a Navajo !

The mainline jobs that were outsourced to the regionals now pay $0. That's where the union failed. The pay rates now at the regionals are a symptom of this problem.

"Yeah, sorry you've been a FO for a couple years"

Im not complaining nor do I have any sense of entitlement. This is career number 2 for me and Im probably a little further along in life than you're assuming. Thanks for your sympathy though.

How many majors today have pilots on furlough? That is my point. Pilots are in demand.
The majors may be not feeling it because they have about 18,000 applicants, but down here at the regionals y'all it's a different story.

At ease and carry on!

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Originally Posted by Mesabah (Post 1742895)

The mainline jobs that were outsourced to the regionals now pay $0. That's where the union failed. The pay rates now at the regionals are a symptom of this problem.

I don't think there was ever a time where regional FO's were high paid. Low regional FO pay is nothing new. One difference now is there are lots of six figure RJ Captains. That was unheard of not too long ago.

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Originally Posted by Delta1067 (Post 1742900)

In terms of purchasing power, they were making more in the past. At 9E, we are back to the old 2004 XJ rates. Against a basket of commodities, $100K today, is equivalent to about $40K in 1990's pay.

Sky pilot, same here, a retirement income is what's alowing me to make this step, I was one of those guys 20 years ago that decided to go a different route, well wife leaving me with the kids helped lol but in the end it worked out just fine,

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Originally Posted by Aksleddriver (Post 1742865)

I think that one thing everyone seems to over look is its not as simple as big bad managers or ceo's the vast majority of airlines are publicly traded company's that are held accountable to there share holders, and whether you think it's sucks or you support it, one things for sure, capitalism is what's made it all possible, I guess we have the choice of going over to Russia and flying there, my personal belief is that over the last 20 years one major thing has been over looked, 20 years ago a young man or women wanted to become an airline pilot they did so knowing and was encouraged to be very flexible in life, if you lived in Florida and your next step involved moving to California, you packet up and went without batting an eye, now you see young regional pilots buying, new cars, maybe houses, having kids, all the things that lock you in. It's not that the system has changed so much in 20 years, it's that the pilots have, so the easiest thing to do in our minds is get the system to change to fit our lifestyles and needs, well good luck with that. Opportunities are still around for pilots at the major level, they just have to be willing to sacrifice to get there. Talk to any senior mainline pilot, I'm talking guys 55 plus, ups, fed-x, delta, ect. They will all tell you about eating top romen and barely getting by in there early years,

I connected with this post akselddriver, I am a new 22 YO college graduate and paid for my PPL out of MY pocket working for $9 hr three days a week. Now Im hitting the airways with my training and hope to be done by February then it's those next 1200 hours to gain before ATP.. BUT I'm willing to do the work and time for my YEARS ahead of what I hope to be a long and progressive career.

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Originally Posted by Mesabah (Post 1742904)

In terms of purchasing power, they were making more in the past. At 9E, we are back to the old 2004 XJ rates. Against a basket of commodities, $100K today, is equivalent to about $40K in 1990's pay.

That's wrong. $40,000 in 1990 is equivalent to $74,00 today.