You can't take the written without the sim training, and the sim training you get in 121 isn't allowed, so there is extra sim and classroom time required that's prohibitively expensive at this point.

Not for an airline with access to all those shiny simulators and classrooms. If you can put a guy through Initial New Hire training you can afford the extra 30 hours of instruction and some sim time. What are you not getting?

It's expensive and they want to figure out the best way to do it, if they are going to put large numbers through it. Kind of makes sense to me. Make money, stay in business. Not really any regionals I know rolling in dough at this point.

It also probably means they need to hire the caliber of people that are going to make it through. Maybe goodbye to the "phone interview", unless those airlines are able to scrap by and make their applicants come with it done. Will be interesting to see.

The whole idea of the CTP is to increase the caliber of the pilots going into 121 operations. Sort a chicken and egg problem for the regionals. Pick someone, run them through the CTP and initial and hope they turn out or get someone who has made it through the CTP already.

Agree the actual cost of the program to an airline is low. Probably more of a question of how much open time do they have for their sims.

[QUOTE=Beech90;1747205]Thanks for the response, however I qualify for a R-ATP.

I am happy to be corrected.

My wish for you is to have a long, happy and prosperous career.

I wonder if this these new programs will result in an increase in companies with one or two year training contracts 'due to the significant increase in training costs' that will be associated with getting new pilots their ATP...

The problem with the airlines are the same problems many US industries are having in which is no desire to spend money in order to train people who do not have the background/skills they need. In the mid to late 1970's the US airlines were providing anywhere from 8 to 13 weeks of real training compared today in which is much less training. If US industries have no desire to pay for the training or investing in their employees the only solution is go out of business. We have already witness foreign industries already eclipsing and pulling away from US industries. Government protection and tariffs will only take you so far before a good company navigates around it.

I agree with bozobigtop

Please correct me if Im wrong, but the ATP CTP only enables the applicant to take the ATP written. So in addition to offering an approved ATP CTP course, an airline would also have to become an authorized administrator of tests. Once the applicant has passed the written only then would they be be able to proceed with the ground school curriculum.

Am I correct?