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deltajuliet 10-16-2014 08:42 PM

I believe they could go to any CATS or Lasergrade testing site to take the actual written. There's at least a few of those in each city.

IDIOTPILOT 10-16-2014 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by skypilot35 (Post 1747936)
Please correct me if Im wrong, but the ATP CTP only enables the applicant to take the ATP written. So in addition to offering an approved ATP CTP course, an airline would also have to become an authorized administrator of tests. Once the applicant has passed the written only then would they be be able to proceed with the ground school curriculum.

Am I correct?

They need the CTP done before starting the official new hire syllabus. They can take the written at any usual testing center and must have it done before their ATP check. Could be 1-2 months after the course.

skypilot35 10-16-2014 08:46 PM

I wonder what happens if a "sponsored" applicant fails the ATP written after the money has been spent on the ATP CTP. Additionally, having to study for the ATP written and attending a Part 121 ground school at the same time would be interesting.

TallFlyer 10-17-2014 03:32 AM

Mason32 Says: No ATP Writtens Since August 1
 
Can someone point out in the new reg where it is that you have to have the CTP or the written done before a 121 indoc?

Nyflier 10-17-2014 04:25 AM

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Originally Posted by TallFlyer (Post 1747982)
Can someone point out in the new reg where it is that you have to have the CTP or the written done before a 121 indoc?

I believe the written is required only prior to your ATP checkride (oral/practical) as far as the FAA is concerned. It's more of a company requirement to have it done prior ground school.

tom11011 10-17-2014 04:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Westerner (Post 1747280)
You can't take the written without the sim training, and the sim training you get in 121 isn't allowed, so there is extra sim and classroom time required that's prohibitively expensive at this point.

It's very simple, you take the cockpit procedures training segment of the training in the simulator. The path for airlines to do this has been laid out already, there is just minor changes to the training curriculum.

How Regional Airlines might deal with new ATP written requirements | Airline Pilot Info

IDIOTPILOT 10-17-2014 05:25 AM

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Originally Posted by tom11011 (Post 1747994)
It's very simple, you take the cockpit procedures training segment of the training in the simulator. The path for airlines to do this has been laid out already, there is just minor changes to the training curriculum.

How Regional Airlines might deal with new ATP written requirements | Airline Pilot Info

No whoever wrote that didn't do his research. The final rule clearly states the CTP must be done before the official 121 new hire syllabus. If a company is working on some sort of workaround then good luck to them, but it's an uphill battle with a clear rule.

IDIOTPILOT 10-17-2014 05:30 AM

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Originally Posted by TallFlyer (Post 1747982)
Can someone point out in the new reg where it is that you have to have the CTP or the written done before a 121 indoc?

In the Final Rule from July 2013.

Although part 121 and part 135 operators may elect to offer this training for their pilots, it would remain separate from part 121 and part 135 training requirements. Because the proposed ATP CTP is part of the basic certification requirements for an ATP certificate, air carriers who elect to offer this training would be required to provide the course to their pilots prior to beginning initial training. The FAA proposed that principal operations inspectors may approve a reduction of hours in an air carrier's initial training program based on material taught in the ATP CTP. However, because the ATP CTP requirements are basic certification requirements, these hours could not be reduced based on the contents of an air carrier's initial training program.

Datsun 10-17-2014 05:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Beech90 (Post 1747205)
Thanks for the response, however I qualify for a R-ATP.

Where did you take your ATP CTP courses? How much did they charge you?

Twin Wasp 10-17-2014 05:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Beech90 (Post 1746846)
I was unable to take the written before the deadline because I wasn't 21 at the time. ... Should I just fork over the $4500....I can't fly cargo for another year in hopes that a airline will get a course going

He didn't. You can get a R-ATP if you have 1500 hours and are 21.


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