Components of company's proposal to ENY MEC
 

-10 year duration​
​​​5 year amendment round must be cost neutral

-Fleet Guarantee includes 130 aircraft

-Pay Increases of 1% per year wage increase

-$10,000 Signing Bonus

-Eliminate Profit Sharing

-Pay Caps:
​​​12/4 caps apply beginning with delivery of first EMB-175
Relief on caps if AA fails to flow through minimum number of pilots

-Per Diem increases:
​​​Jan 1, 2015- $1.85
​​​Jan 1, 2019- $1.90
​​​Jan 1, 2021-$1.95

-Medical Contributions will increases:
​​​ 2015-31%
​​​ 2016-32%
​​​ 2017-33%
​ ​2018-34%
​​​ 2019-35%

-Flow Through:
​​​ 824: Flow through minimum increased to 30 per month
Protected Pilots: Minimum raised to increase to 50% of AA classes
​​​ Pilots Hired after October, 2011 will have flow through rights

In this the new Mason?

How large is the current ERJ fleet? APC says 177.

Likelihood of this passing?

90% for sure. But then I thought they weren't gonna come back till 2016.

All protected pilots would have flow? Dammit. What are all the gotchas? This is the same garbage that leaked last time, and just like last time this one is probably missing a boatload of info.

Gotta love APC, anybody can make a throwaway handle and drop a flaming bag on the doorstep.

Plus all Envoy Pilots must write an apology letter to PSA pilots. :D

Then it won't pass.

Guys this is False information.
Nothing to see here.

Your first post? Awesome.... Welcome to APC

Thank you Bro!!!

Nice first post.

with the exception of ten thousand it is the same we voted no to and I will vote no again. they want the deal throw in all e175's in aag feed.
psa get ready we are getting the crj's ready for you, pdt here come the e145s, compass you can have the rest of the e175's.

big fat NO THANKS. You take them....they belong to you guys.

You should just vote yes to tank PDT and deny PSA their quick upgrade. I guarantee the CRJs will magically come back. Then there will be a huge staffing issue and they have to live with their selfish yes men for 10 long years.

There would be no reason for the crjs to come back.

How would that tank PDT. Everyone is flowing. And honestly we are better off without the jets. Keep them away from here.

true they have not left.

Outside of the bitter lifers like Buddies most are indicating they're voting yes this time around. Guys are tired of trying to stand up for an industry that doesn't care. New hires are flocking to PSA, Mesa, PDT, etc. why should they fall on their swords and lose their jobs for nothing?

Good luck guys, I hope it passes.

Terrible. It's pathetic how much they need you. Also @ billyho @ beech90. Your not in the game so your comments are irreverent

It only makes sense for the crjs to be at PSA, from a company viewpoint. Envoy all emb, PSA all crj. These planes are leaving and will not be coming back.

Amazing how the table turns and all the sudden our comments are irreverent.

That's actually kind of funny that you would say that.

Funny how we were saying the same thing couple months ago at pdt and everybody in the world was hating on us.

Components of company's proposal to ENY MEC
 

Is this all rumors? Any factual evidence? Thanks!

If true, does anyone see a pattern here? They keep coming back because they cannot execute this plan they have to have Eagle as a ERJ only operator.

Keep firm, guys.

....says the toughguy from XJT who fled to Mesa for the quick upgrade...Really? You went to Mesa and you are going to lecture others?

Who is worse?

A pilot who...

Voted in a substandard contract? or One who runs to work for an operator with a well documented bottom of the barrel contract?

I'll take your answers off the air.

I'll vote for DENpilot

I'm not lecturing anyone. I am standing behind them. Big difference.

BTW, I didn't flee to Mesa. I was furloughed in 2008 and exercised my recall rights that were deferred under the 1500 hour rule LOA.

I'll vote "no" on any POS contract that comes along here, but it doesn't mean I have to stagnate my own career while your lifer *** can continue to make 3-4x the pay I make, all while building time that does essentially nothing to my career progression.

I'll do what I can to help the greater good out, but that does not include 8-10 years in right seat of an RJ.

No concessions
One List
One Flow

better than who gives in and tries to validate there position as you do. new hires have been flocking to psa, pdt and mesa etc, for an awful long time they did not just start yesterday. for those yes voters, what can i say other than spineless and weak. this has nothing to do with falling in any sword, it has to do with stopping management from changing its mind and coming for changes to our contract every 2 months.

Give the flying to someone else, AAG owes us nothing if they can get it cheaper as they say elsewhere, more power to them. As is in the last year they have only promised and no actual contract filed in the 10K regarding compass. The only thing happening at envoy is what was planned 3 years ago, planes being parked and we all knew rumors had RAH in MIA and ORD when they got the contract initially.

But BZZT feel free to keep crying.

This decision doesn't affect me at all, it does however affect you and your coworkers. It's sad you're so willing to throw away your career because you're angry at the company and unwilling to accept the economic reality of your situation. I sincerely hope that when it comes time to vote on this you consider the coworkers who you're screwing over so you can stick it to the man and make some pointless moral stand.

burn it down

It just amazes me that with a 294 million dollar net income last quarter they didn't offer a better package.

Oh well. Good Luck to the Envoy folks.

you have an explanation based on economics or something you pulled out of your posterior? I for one would like to see the numbers

company trying to leak things to gauge pilot response. They want their 50%+1. Don't play their game.
Be insulted and pizzed off. It helps the bargaining position at the table. Want proof?
Look at the original offer from Dec 19, 2013 and then look at how much it improved in the TA. It was obviously still a very crappy deal or it would have passed; but that improvement only came because the company sensed the determination and resolve of the pilots that their original offer was an insult. Want a better deal? remain insulted and angry.... at least publicly.

and for pete's sake, don't be discussing things like "well, I'd accept it if they did....." It just hampers our negotiators ability to demand more. We know they read these forums. Their union busters do nothing but negotiations all day, every day. They read these message boards like the tea leaves. Stop giving them information.

email your reps what you want/need in a deal. Chat about it in your crew room. Take the online survery we just sent out. Just don't be posting stuff here that hurts our collective efforts.

Great first post. Hi Jerry.

I thought the same thing when they offered you your s--t sandwich. They were firmly profitable then also.

The tone of your post implies that you are trying to sway opinion towards a no vote. Or am I reading to much into it?

The reality of our situation is we are nothing but contract labor. Major airlines will find ways to outsource to the cheapest bidder, we can't stop that. Prospective pilots want to fly at a major and will go wherever an upgrade or flow exists, we can't change that. In the end we're left with two choices; play the game and accept substandard contracts to hopefully make it to a career job eventually, or refuse to play and quit the industry. Being obstinate and standing for an ideal that doesn't exist is folly.

Cujo (Igou) I have no idea what your agenda is. I wish you'd just stay on talkairline with your little gaggle of followers. Your corpulence disgusts me, your lack of intelligent thought angers me, and the fact you're able to stay in office saddens me. At least when you were posting as Mason32 it was interesting, now you're just a run of the mill angry, bitter poster.

My agenda is to get the best deal possible for our pilots that obtains a future that is both dignified and more secure. Yours is to whine and complain about everything.

If you do not think that the company is reading these threads daily and analyizing everything, then you sir are an idiot. You've obviously advanced to the point of flying an airliner, so I don't think you're an idiot. I do think you have your own agenda, and it isn't to help get our pilots the best deal possible.

Whining in public is like blood in the water to a shark for guys like Glass. You need to stop being weak in public.

I hope they do read this, I hope the pilots here are smart enough to quit listening to your misinformation (no one can staff, pilot shortage, everyone will be at a major in 5 years anyway, etc.) and vote in a deal to secure at least some future so guys at Envoy don't have to start over at another regional. You and Kyle have hurt us pretty significantly recently, I hope your damage can be undone.

Really?? I could care less how envoy votes. I'm just saying if you come to a company 3-4 times you'd think it be better.

Vote how you feel. We did.

Hell no to any pay freeze, pay cut, or reduction in compensation. I am worth more then this. Plus an increase in any flow will come with the market. We need to be fighting for increases, duty and trip rigs. Plus I hope nothing happens until the first of the year. Time we play on our time frame and on our terms.