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MavAv8r 11-11-2014 04:48 PM


Originally Posted by Pilottim79 (Post 1761868)
I have no idea what you're talking about, but just wait and see. We are not done announcing yet this year.


Have heard this as well.

ArcherDvr 11-11-2014 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by TeamRamRod (Post 1761918)
^ Go play with your friends man.

And you with yours.

Pilottim79 11-11-2014 06:11 PM


Originally Posted by MavAv8r (Post 1762017)
Have heard this as well.

I am no one important, but my sources have been right all along and no reason to doubt them. The company kept this United stuff pretty secret for a while. Time will tell if I am just spreading rumor or not.

knobcrk 11-11-2014 07:20 PM


Originally Posted by Pilottim79 (Post 1762062)
I am no one important, but my sources have been right all along and no reason to doubt them. The company kept this United stuff pretty secret for a while. Time will tell if I am just spreading rumor or not.

What kind of announcement?

MavAv8r 11-11-2014 07:26 PM


Originally Posted by Pilottim79 (Post 1762062)
I am no one important, but my sources have been right all along and no reason to doubt them. The company kept this United stuff pretty secret for a while. Time will tell if I am just spreading rumor or not.

I'm in the same boat. Was starting to doubt the sources for awhile, but everything has happened step by step from what they said would happen so far.

Riverside 11-11-2014 07:28 PM

More new hires to Dulles now :-)

Dukeuno 11-11-2014 08:17 PM


Originally Posted by Pilottim79 (Post 1762062)
I am no one important, but my sources have been right all along and no reason to doubt them. The company kept this United stuff pretty secret for a while. Time will tell if I am just spreading rumor or not.

Hey quick question did your source actually say you all would be getting XRs? I am curious because I was told that the XRs are actually our profitable aircraft and they and that we ( XJT) would not be losing them any time soon. Now I could see you all getting some more of the unprofitable aircraft that we are parking. We are parking around 100 of them. I think it would all be contingent on how well you all can staff the ones you are getting. Right now I figure you all are looking at hiring around 360 to 400 pilots if all the aircraft coming our add planes and not replace any. That means you would double in size. That is a lot of guys to get through training in a year, but it is possible. Plus that is without attrition which I think you guys are losing guys as well.

TeamRamRod 11-11-2014 09:06 PM


Originally Posted by ArcherDvr (Post 1762047)
And you with yours.

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instanc...x/37568113.jpg

Pilottim79 11-12-2014 06:02 AM

Ok, I have been told the following:

-yes we are getting the XRs, all of them eventually
-we have already inked something with American and includes another domicile
-a lot of the hush hush is by request of the code share partners.

This could be all rumor. It could never happen. It does make sense since we are hiring way more pilots than for just 18 more airplanes.

CBreezy 11-12-2014 06:09 AM


Originally Posted by Pilottim79 (Post 1762207)
Ok, I have been told the following:

-yes we are getting the XRs, all of them eventually
-we have already inked something with American and includes another domicile
-a lot of the hush hush is by request of the code share partners.

This could be all rumor. It could never happen. It does make sense since we are hiring way more pilots than for just 18 more airplanes.

Why would your source violate an NDA? Seems way too far fetched to me.

Captindc1 11-12-2014 06:56 AM

Everything here sounds very interesting. I hope it's true for them waterski guys!

ArcherDvr 11-12-2014 07:02 AM


Originally Posted by CBreezy (Post 1762211)
Why would your source violate an NDA? Seems way too far fetched to me.

I would think it be obvious. They're going to use that rumor to staff the 36 new planes, since only a handful of new hires will see the upgrade. Standard regional hiring tactic.

CBreezy 11-12-2014 07:19 AM


Originally Posted by ArcherDvr (Post 1762241)
I would think it be obvious. They're going to use that rumor to staff the 36 new planes, since only a handful of new hires will see the upgrade. Standard regional hiring tactic.

Archer ANGRY! Do you also doubt the moon landing and think aliens are being bred under DIA?

Blanco 11-12-2014 07:25 AM


Originally Posted by ArcherDvr (Post 1762241)
I would think it be obvious. They're going to use that rumor to staff the 36 new planes, since only a handful of new hires will see the upgrade. Standard regional hiring tactic.

Right. For a standard round of hiring. Takes 2 to pilot an aircraft. They can't all be captains. Bitter, party of 1.....

Nevets 11-12-2014 07:38 AM


Originally Posted by Dukeuno (Post 1762103)
Hey quick question did your source actually say you all would be getting XRs? I am curious because I was told that the XRs are actually our profitable aircraft and they and that we ( XJT) would not be losing them any time soon. Now I could see you all getting some more of the unprofitable aircraft that we are parking. We are parking around 100 of them. I think it would all be contingent on how well you all can staff the ones you are getting. Right now I figure you all are looking at hiring around 360 to 400 pilots if all the aircraft coming our add planes and not replace any. That means you would double in size. That is a lot of guys to get through training in a year, but it is possible. Plus that is without attrition which I think you guys are losing guys as well.


All of XJT's aircraft are unprofitable thanks to the CPA Skywest negotiated.

MavAv8r 11-12-2014 08:20 AM


Originally Posted by ArcherDvr (Post 1762241)
I would think it be obvious. They're going to use that rumor to staff the 36 new planes, since only a handful of new hires will see the upgrade. Standard regional hiring tactic.

TSA doesn't need to start rumors to staff doubling the fleet. 36 new aircraft is going to take somewhere in the neighborhood of 180-200 captains factoring in attrition over the 18 months. Our most junior captain isn't on the seniority list yet. If you go by active line pilots.

Math really isn't one of your strong areas is it? I bet doing those RNAV arrivals with no VNAV was a real brain buster for you wasn't it?

Riverside 11-12-2014 08:36 AM


Originally Posted by ArcherDvr (Post 1762241)
I would think it be obvious. They're going to use that rumor to staff the 36 new planes, since only a handful of new hires will see the upgrade. Standard regional hiring tactic.

Maybe if you didn't get yourself fired, you would see an upgrade soon.

ArcherDvr 11-12-2014 08:45 AM


Originally Posted by MavAv8r (Post 1762296)
TSA doesn't need to start rumors to staff doubling the fleet. 36 new aircraft is going to take somewhere in the neighborhood of 180-200 captains factoring in attrition over the 18 months. Our most junior captain isn't on the seniority list yet. If you go by active line pilots.

Math really isn't one of your strong areas is it? I bet doing those RNAV arrivals with no VNAV was a real brain buster for you wasn't it?

I know your most junior captain isn't on the seniority list yet, that why I said a handful of new hires will see the quick upgrade.
My math is fine.
You're doubling your fleet, so pretty much all FOs on property that have the time will upgrade.
Those that don't have the time I imagine would displace any CQFOs as they get the time. (Don't know if I'm a hundred percent correct on that one.)
As for attrition, in order for attrition to help with the quick upgrade, the attrition has to come from the Captain side. You know better than I do how many of your captains are lifers.

Eventually you'll have to start hiring people who are ok with flying in the right seat for a few years, unless the majors open the flood gates and a large part of your captains leave, or the majors hire a bunch of FOs, which they are hiring some.

Plus you'll have to compete with the likes of Mesa and PSA who also advertise the quick upgrade, have all 70+ aircraft (except for PSA's 200's). And PSA offers the preferential interview.

I was half joking about using that rumor to hire for the 36 planes. But you can't even tell me these companies haven't pulled crap like this in the past, I've heard it over and over again from captains.

I hope the flood gates open, I hope the DOW never drops below 10,000, and that oil continues to drop, and that you guys, are able to ride the top of this whipsaw wave to a more secure job. My issue isn't with regional pilots, but with how mainline and regional mgt has treated us in the past. It's changing now because the numbers are on our side for the moment.

MavAv8r 11-12-2014 08:47 AM


Originally Posted by ArcherDvr (Post 1762313)
I know your most junior captain isn't on the seniority list yet, that why I said a handful of new hires will see the quick upgrade.
My math is fine.
You're doubling your fleet, so pretty much all FOs on property that have the time will upgrade.
Those that don't have the time I imagine would displace any CQFOs as they get the time. (Don't know if I'm a hundred percent correct on that one.)
As for attrition, in order for attrition to help with the quick upgrade, the attrition has to come from the Captain side. You know better than I do how many of your captains are lifers.

Eventually you'll have to start hiring people who are ok with flying in the right seat for a few years, unless the majors open the flood gates and a large part of your captains leave, or the majors hire a bunch of FOs, which they are hiring some.

Plus you'll have to compete with the likes of Mesa and PSA who also advertise the quick upgrade, have all 70+ aircraft (except for PSA's 200's). And PSA offers the preferential interview.

I was half joking about using that rumor to hire for the 36 planes. But you can't even tell me these companies haven't pulled crap like this in the past, I've heard it over and over again from captains.

I hope the flood gates open, I hope the DOW never drops below 10,000, and that oil continues to drop, and that you guys, are able to ride the top of this whipsaw wave to a more secure job. My issue isn't with regional pilots, but with how mainline and regional mgt has treated us in the past. It's changing now because the numbers are on our side for the moment.


It's about time some logic comes out in a post. This would be correct all the way down to having to replace the CQFO's.

ArcherDvr 11-12-2014 08:49 AM


Originally Posted by Riverside (Post 1762304)
Maybe if you didn't get yourself fired, you would see an upgrade soon.

You're right. And I wish I hadn't been fired, but not so I can upgrade at TSA, but so I didn't have it on my record. Instead of just resigning early on, I choose to handle my issues with TSA differently. Fortunately, I will see an upgrade soon enough.

Pilottim79 11-12-2014 07:09 PM


Originally Posted by CBreezy (Post 1762250)
Archer ANGRY! Do you also doubt the moon landing and think aliens are being bred under DIA?

This guy has been wrong at every step when trying to rain on our parade. He has discounted every bit of news at every turn. He has been wrong a lot. He will continue to be wrong and worst of all, the guy just doesn't care he is the biggest sore loser moron on the largest pilot forum in the world.

ArcherDvr 11-12-2014 08:20 PM


Originally Posted by Pilottim79 (Post 1762667)
This guy has been wrong at every step when trying to rain on our parade. He has discounted every bit of news at every turn. He has been wrong a lot. He will continue to be wrong and worst of all, the guy just doesn't care he is the biggest sore loser moron on the largest pilot forum in the world.


Originally Posted by Pilottim79 (Post 1761829)
He has a habit of getting fired. I mean I don't know what you have to do to get fired at TSA right now, but this guy achieved it.

At least I know how to fly. Let's talk about your habit for failing checkrides.

I unplugged from this thread this afternoon but you follow me around in other threads and try to mudsling, I'm bringing it right back here.

The only habit I have after TSA, (which implies more than one occurrence, I mean jeez at least get the insult correct) is landing interviews, and getting hired. And no I'm not talking Great Mistakes or Mesa either.

I was wrong about your jets, admitted it, wished you well, and unplugged from the thread this afternoon. You can say what you want about me in here, I couldn't care less. But you want to follow me around other threads and sling more mud, I'm brining it back here.

Captain Tony 11-13-2014 03:53 AM

This thread is badly in need of moderation. Get a room.

Pilottim79 11-13-2014 05:38 AM


Originally Posted by ArcherDvr (Post 1762699)
At least I know how to fly. Let's talk about your habit for failing checkrides.

I unplugged from this thread this afternoon but you follow me around in other threads and try to mudsling, I'm bringing it right back here.

The only habit I have after TSA, (which implies more than one occurrence, I mean jeez at least get the insult correct) is landing interviews, and getting hired. And no I'm not talking Great Mistakes or Mesa either.

I was wrong about your jets, admitted it, wished you well, and unplugged from the thread this afternoon. You can say what you want about me in here, I couldn't care less. But you want to follow me around other threads and sling more mud, I'm brining it back here.

I would rather fail a dozen checkrides than get terminated. Trust me when I say nobody on this entire board likes you, and you add nothing of any worth to it. You currently fly 135 (supposedly) and spend all your time on the regional boards trashing people and 121 carriers. You troll everything TSA then expect people to leave you alone and expect not to garnish attention or have a reputation follow you around?

Let me teach you a life lesson. If you spend all your time antagonizing people and being an idiot. You will gain a reputation and it will follow you around. The internet is not anonymous. Not many people have been fired from TSA. Would not be hard to connect the dots.

Its a small industry. Stop talking crap and trolling and try being a decent human being. It might get you further in such a small industry.

ArcherDvr 11-13-2014 06:53 AM


Originally Posted by Pilottim79 (Post 1762804)
I would rather fail a dozen checkrides than get terminated. Trust me when I say nobody on this entire board likes you, and you add nothing of any worth to it. You currently fly 135 (supposedly) and spend all your time on the regional boards trashing people and 121 carriers. You troll everything TSA then expect people to leave you alone and expect not to garnish attention or have a reputation follow you around?

Let me teach you a life lesson. If you spend all your time antagonizing people and being an idiot. You will gain a reputation and it will follow you around. The internet is not anonymous. Not many people have been fired from TSA. Would not be hard to connect the dots.

Its a small industry. Stop talking crap and trolling and try being a decent human being. It might get you further in such a small industry.

Well I for one would not want someone with a dozen checkride failures flying me around versus someone with one termination.

I didn't trash any person in here, unless they started attacking me personally. I bring up the same issues of carrot dangling, false estimates, that I've heard TSA and regional pilots complain about in cockpits and crew rooms time and again.
It's not trash talk or trolling, it's my opinion on the company, based on my experience with it, posted in a public forum. Read it, ignore it, post the opposite opinion, and move on. Attack me personally, I'll have something to say about it.

My reputation is fine, infact it's part of what got me my job now. And I'm quite open and honest about my firing so go ahead and connect the dots.

WarpSpeed 11-13-2014 07:14 AM

Can't we start a specific thread just for stupid bickering and save the established ones for unfounded rumors?

minimwage4 11-13-2014 07:16 AM


Originally Posted by WarpSpeed (Post 1762879)
Can't we start a specific thread just for stupid bickering and save the established ones for unfounded rumors?

Yes please. ArcherDvr hasn't much to lose he'll just keep saying the same thing to these guys that are so offended by him.

opas76 11-13-2014 07:56 AM


Originally Posted by Captain Tony (Post 1762766)
This thread is badly in need of moderation. Get a room.

I agree. Where are the moderators.

John Carr 11-13-2014 08:37 AM


Originally Posted by WarpSpeed (Post 1762879)
Can't we start a specific thread just for stupid bickering and save the established ones for unfounded rumors?


WarpSpeed 11-13-2014 09:40 AM


Originally Posted by John Carr (Post 1762963)

Freakin' hilarious and SOOO spot on!

FlyingKat 11-13-2014 11:46 AM


Originally Posted by John Carr (Post 1762963)

Monty Python Rules!

John Carr 11-13-2014 12:39 PM


Originally Posted by WarpSpeed (Post 1763014)
Freakin' hilarious and SOOO spot on!

No it's not.


Originally Posted by FlyingKat (Post 1763131)
Monty Python Rules!

No he doesn't

This will be a 5 post argument :p

Paid2fly 11-13-2014 05:30 PM


Originally Posted by John Carr (Post 1763173)
No it's not.



No he doesn't

This will be a 5 post argument :p





Monty Python is a they, not a he...;)

flynavyj 11-13-2014 05:43 PM


Originally Posted by FlyingKat (Post 1763131)
Monty Python Rules!

It wasn't that funny.

RodJohnson 11-13-2014 05:51 PM


Originally Posted by flynavyj (Post 1763437)
It wasn't that funny.

Google "ministry of silly walks". Might be better

flynavyj 11-13-2014 05:54 PM


Originally Posted by RodJohnson (Post 1763445)
Google "ministry of silly walks". Might be better

I most certainly shall not.

TBucket 11-13-2014 06:21 PM

Just stop being bitter already. The only thing Pilottim has done wrong is choose the incorrect ingress team.




Originally Posted by ArcherDvr (Post 1762852)
Well I for one would not want someone with a dozen checkride failures flying me around versus someone with one termination.

I didn't trash any person in here, unless they started attacking me personally. I bring up the same issues of carrot dangling, false estimates, that I've heard TSA and regional pilots complain about in cockpits and crew rooms time and again.
It's not trash talk or trolling, it's my opinion on the company, based on my experience with it, posted in a public forum. Read it, ignore it, post the opposite opinion, and move on. Attack me personally, I'll have something to say about it.

My reputation is fine, infact it's part of what got me my job now. And I'm quite open and honest about my firing so go ahead and connect the dots.


RodJohnson 11-13-2014 06:24 PM


Originally Posted by flynavyj (Post 1763450)
I most certainly shall not.

Eggs, bacon, sausage and spam lol

flynavyj 11-13-2014 07:39 PM

But I don't like SPAM!

RodJohnson 11-13-2014 07:51 PM


Originally Posted by flynavyj (Post 1763523)
But I don't like SPAM!

Finally somebody who gets it! Lol


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