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so.... the ones XJT is already parking, or what?

Yes. Wonder how many will bail XJT for TSA for a quick upgrade.

That seems risky, what happens if they can't staff them? What happens when United decides it is done with 50 seaters? If it were 76 seaters the decision would be easier but the parking of 50 seaters is inevitable as airlines struggle to keep 76 seaters in the air the next few years.

tallflyer is quickly filling out the application now.

yeah, how about no. Very good news for some of my former crash pad roommates.

Yea this is pretty risky, they might be able to staff them with "displaced" pilots in the short term but what happens in a year or two with majors hiring and nobody coming through the CFI pipeline?

It's about time there was some good news for the waterski guys.

Yep.................

At the expense or another group

I thought xjet was losing the flying due to not being able to staff and Skywest not wanting to do it.

Maybe. It hasn't been announced where they're coming from. It could be the XRs or could be the garbage EPs and ERs that have been already been slated to be parked anyways.

Also even if it is XRs or LRs, you can't blame the TSA pilot group. They didn't vote in concessions to get it. Not like PSA. If anything it's United using the planes to whipsaw the pilot groups.

Welcome to the regionals. EVERYTHING is at the expense of someone else. The TSA guys took no concessions to get flying. Don't even attempt to lump them in with psa or gojets. It sucks for the xjt guys, but they should know it has nothing to do with tsa pilots.

Amen brother!

Any idea where they would open a new base?

How is it at the expense of the L-XJT pilot group? These are part of the ~100 they are slated to lose, and management has made it clear that a/c retirements are keeping pace with attrition, so there's no need to furlough. This is just like when people start throwing the word scab around. You guys need to chill.

All regional flying is gained at the expense of another group. If it's actually a new contract its at the expense of the major pilot group. If it's a contract gained from another regional then it's at the expense of their group.

This is like a physics lesson.. Flying can neither be created or destroyed.. Just transferred from one company to another.. Whew! I just blew my own mind!

Just received clarification on the poorly worded memo. This is a growth of 18 planes, 18 will be replacements. So we are not doubling the fleet, but still significant growth

Where will these aircraft be based?

Yahoo finance article says nothing of parking airplanes says going from 29 to 65. Where did the replacement info come from?

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/trans-...160000262.html

Skywest doesn't want them because they lose money under the CPA they negotiated when they attempted to buy xjt. And when they did buy xjt two years later, they renegotiated the CPA again but still agreed to a money losing CPA.

If you listened to the SKW call they talked about "mitigating" losses.. Working with UA to place thsr planes at TSA is part of that.. Win for SKW. Win for UA. Win for TSA if they can make money...

And loss for LXJT pilots.

I'd say more a loss for LXJT FOs, assuming Captain attrition doesn't continue. I'm just glad they aren't going to furlough.

Yes i agree. But dont think management is looking out for the peeps right now. They are worried about the company.. Sad. But the ERJ side looks to shring down to what?? Maybe they can negotiate a far contract with UA for 30-100 planes is my guess..

You honestly think we are doing to keep the ep's?

Not going to furlough...yet.


The ERJ side will be lucky to be a 100 aircraft company. They are not worried about the peeps, at least not the ones you are referring to. They need to keep relationships good at UAL. Those are the peeps they are looking out for, other than themselves of course.

Sure! Ep stands for EXTRA PARTS! Lol

Good to see the whinerski guys get some growth

If it makes money, Hulas will fly it.

That's true, plus we only have 7 EP's and 3 MP's unless they want to get rid of some of the non reverse LR's, I don't know where this 18 airframe replacement number is coming from..

Iad CP said net gain of 20 planes

Man my brain hurts....

I swear people are blindfolded throwing crap at a dart board and whatever number gets hit, that's going to be the net gain. A DEN captain that's tied into the union and is tied into the certification at the FSDO just told me the real facts on the phone. TSA is keeping all the EPs and MPs and replacing the thrust reverser equipped LRs with the new thrust reverser LRs with less pieces of speed tape on them. The LRs in United colors will primarily be used on USAirways routes between PIT, BDL, and RDU. The EPs in USAirways paint will be flying STL - IAH, IAH - JAX, and IAD - JAX under the United name, primarily for passenger comfort so they don't have to sit next to anyone because it'll be half full due to weight restrictions. So, since there are only 3 LRs that currently have TRs, that leaves 33 airplanes left over. TSA is no longer doing sim training at FSI, the remaining 33 airplanes will be used to train the CQFOs that aren't needed for such small net growth. Looks like everyone except me is wrong....Ha!


Now that the facts are out of the way..... let's point out some things that are absolutely absurd and make NO sense whatsoever.

TSA operates 7 EPs total. TWO (2) are United colors. 802 and 857. The rest are in USAirways or TSA colors. The ones in TSA colors (806,812,825) are used on occasion, if needed, and will be used for charters. So even if the two United Eps would be replaced, that leaves 34 net gain. TSA has 3 MPs. For fun, let's say they get rid of all those. Down to 31 net gain now. 20? 18? Nope. The ONLY way I can come up with 18 airplanes is dumping every United LR without thrust reversers (16) and the 2 United EPs. Seems pretty logical considering the non-TR equipped airplanes have operated just fine with the exception of Ottawa (time will tell on that operation this winter/spring). Let's not forget, a good amount of these non-TR equipped airplanes that are undoubtedly being parked were repainted within the last 4 months... probably so they look good in the desert.

Where do you guys think this stuff up?

Since I'm not much of a popcorn guy, I'm gonna go get some whiskey.

Basically what I've said but in a way more ****ed off long winded kinda post.. Thanks my friend! And have a shot for me.. Lol

Amen. Pretty much said the same thing, less angry, in the other thread. The Waterskier group has been repeatedly pi**ed on. The guys that went there made the right choice, and it looks like a great chance for some high time regional FO's to finally get o the left seat. Thankfully Archrdrvr will not be one of them.

Damn what did this ArcherDvr do???

Judging from the intelligence level of his posts and the misconceptions of the company... Something that rhymes with being a woosh tag, and that's enough for me to keep him out of any 121 flight deck.

He got fired, then blamed the company, most importantly,the recruiting dept for it..

I posted my info from a couple union/training sources that wanted to clarify how many we were actually adding which would be helpful to tell any friends thinking about come to tsa. 36 new planes for TSA included replacing 18 whose contracts were expiring this year. I trust these sources, but who knows. Hopefully the company will continue with more details this week including which hubs the flying will go to