ENY's incompetent MEC
11-25-2014 | 07:21 AM
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Well folks, I don't know why our MEC continues to hide specifics from you, but here are some more.
We begin transferring our CRJs to PSA in June of 2015.
We will park the remaining 38 EMB140s in 2015.
We will transfer 15 EMB145s to Trans States in 2015.
Then, we will transfer another 15 EMB145s to a yet unnamed airline in 2016.
We will transfer another 20 EMB145s to Piedmont, all in 2016.
That means that we will have gone from over 300 aircraft at the end of 2008 to 68 airplanes by the end of 2016. Additionally, the company disclosed a long time ago that with less than 70 aircraft on property, the flight department could not make a profit and would be liquidated.
So let's think this through. A few months ago, we had the opportunity to lock in 170 aircraft guarantee with NO wiggle room for management, despite Ray Igou's current lies about management having the ability to stop the flow or reduce the aircraft guarantee due to staffing. Not only was Ray Igou not there at the time, but his individual has already proven his gross inability to maintain any actual facts as was again proven on Council 121's teleconference.
So management is still offering a fleet guarantee, an enhanced flow, and relief on the 12/4 caps, should AA slow or stop its hiring. But our self-serving MEC continues to hide the ball.
Someone should please help me understand how your elected representatives have helped you. They have lost 40 aircraft from the fleet guarantee, they have lost most of the 145s, the have lost our CRJs and the promised 900s, they have lost all credibility with the APA, and they are jeopardizing the flow through for the rest of us.
Tell the MEC to put the proposal out for a vote and to get their self-serving personalities out of the way.
We begin transferring our CRJs to PSA in June of 2015.
We will park the remaining 38 EMB140s in 2015.
We will transfer 15 EMB145s to Trans States in 2015.
Then, we will transfer another 15 EMB145s to a yet unnamed airline in 2016.
We will transfer another 20 EMB145s to Piedmont, all in 2016.
That means that we will have gone from over 300 aircraft at the end of 2008 to 68 airplanes by the end of 2016. Additionally, the company disclosed a long time ago that with less than 70 aircraft on property, the flight department could not make a profit and would be liquidated.
So let's think this through. A few months ago, we had the opportunity to lock in 170 aircraft guarantee with NO wiggle room for management, despite Ray Igou's current lies about management having the ability to stop the flow or reduce the aircraft guarantee due to staffing. Not only was Ray Igou not there at the time, but his individual has already proven his gross inability to maintain any actual facts as was again proven on Council 121's teleconference.
So management is still offering a fleet guarantee, an enhanced flow, and relief on the 12/4 caps, should AA slow or stop its hiring. But our self-serving MEC continues to hide the ball.
Someone should please help me understand how your elected representatives have helped you. They have lost 40 aircraft from the fleet guarantee, they have lost most of the 145s, the have lost our CRJs and the promised 900s, they have lost all credibility with the APA, and they are jeopardizing the flow through for the rest of us.
Tell the MEC to put the proposal out for a vote and to get their self-serving personalities out of the way.
Well, Jerry, it's simple really. Your last proposal didn't guarentee in writing any sort of fleet commitment other than 40 e jets and 90 options. Options that probably can't even being executed because of scope. All your deal did was promise a fleet of 130 airplanes. We're not that dumb. We've been promised a lot and nothing comes through. Gotta be in writing, mr. Gl*******.
11-25-2014 | 08:27 AM
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I think one thing management has to learn is we don't care. They're giving away airplanes at 10 to 20 integrals. I have serious doubts these companies will be able to fulfill their contracts with AAG. I'm just not willing to work for less. Go use your scare tactics at PSA, they seem to be susceptible.
11-25-2014 | 09:04 AM
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I think one thing management has to learn is we don't care. They're giving away airplanes at 10 to 20 integrals. I have serious doubts these companies will be able to fulfill their contracts with AAG. I'm just not willing to work for less. Go use your scare tactics at PSA, they seem to like grabbing their ankles with no lube.
11-25-2014 | 09:49 AM
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If anybody has any delusion that Envoy will pull out of this mess, look no further than this thread. Look at the attitudes of the posters as a glimpse into what Envoy pilots are like.
There is no hope for this airline. And yes, that attitude is trickle down from our incompetent, shady, and misguided Union. I don't know who publicphone is but unfortunately he didn't say anything wrong. In fact it was all accurate. Of course, the usual crowd call him the usual names. Actually they forgot to say he is from CLR, another favorite "insult" of theirs.
Envoy is done. Finished. Even if there is hope, that hope will be squashed by this pilot group with people like Sam Pool and Ray Igou leading the way.
There is no hope for this airline. And yes, that attitude is trickle down from our incompetent, shady, and misguided Union. I don't know who publicphone is but unfortunately he didn't say anything wrong. In fact it was all accurate. Of course, the usual crowd call him the usual names. Actually they forgot to say he is from CLR, another favorite "insult" of theirs.
Envoy is done. Finished. Even if there is hope, that hope will be squashed by this pilot group with people like Sam Pool and Ray Igou leading the way.
11-25-2014 | 10:01 AM
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The attrition over the next year will exceed 100/month, frontier, spirit and jetblue are hiring our guys in droves. We have many going to majors. Hey glass go get a copy of this weeks and months pria requests. How many are from frontier? Your doing this pilot group the biggest favor of their careers!!
The popcorn will be great when the ejet arrival is a disasters over the next few years.
The popcorn will be great when the ejet arrival is a disasters over the next few years.
11-25-2014 | 10:06 AM
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If anybody has any delusion that Envoy will pull out of this mess, look no further than this thread. Look at the attitudes of the posters as a glimpse into what Envoy pilots are like.
There is no hope for this airline. And yes, that attitude is trickle down from our incompetent, shady, and misguided Union. I don't know who publicphone is but unfortunately he didn't say anything wrong. In fact it was all accurate. Of course, the usual crowd call him the usual names. Actually they forgot to say he is from CLR, another favorite "insult" of theirs.
Envoy is done. Finished. Even if there is hope, that hope will be squashed by this pilot group with people like Sam Pool and Ray Igou leading the way.
There is no hope for this airline. And yes, that attitude is trickle down from our incompetent, shady, and misguided Union. I don't know who publicphone is but unfortunately he didn't say anything wrong. In fact it was all accurate. Of course, the usual crowd call him the usual names. Actually they forgot to say he is from CLR, another favorite "insult" of theirs.
Envoy is done. Finished. Even if there is hope, that hope will be squashed by this pilot group with people like Sam Pool and Ray Igou leading the way.
So leave and go to another regional then.
11-25-2014 | 11:07 AM
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skyvector, really. publicphone was right on all. lets see, we gave in BK and they came back for more as most said they would. the mec told them no and no and then management said we dont believe you. then the mec put it out for a vote and the pilots said no.
you can play with publicphone all you want but you are a team tony player and now that he has left your sitting on a glass that will cut you.
we dont care anymore. shut this F'n place today, I dare parker and glass to do so. why should we care about a place that says your value sucks and you are not important. Since i am all that then my attitude is appropriate except to the weak and spineless and my answer to them is pi ss off.
pubicphone, it was put out for a vote and the answer was NO. how many times does it take til no sinks into your head. trying to scare people into believing in enhanced flow, when the 824 are done the flow increases to a minimum 25 per month under current contract so how much enhanced flow you going to get, lets not forget PSA and PDT get seats also so the number available will be limited no matter what, so stick this one in the trash.
fleet, they were transferring aircraft no matter what, or do you have documents that state the opposite.
you are a company stooge.
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