Originally Posted by wiz5422

I am hearing the same thing. If true then no future for envoy. That leaves what 20 of the hard orders left and much of the options we can't take because of scope.

Originally Posted by csh405

No seriously, do you actually know these claims you're making like you imply you do, or are you just perpetuating your intuition as fact and inside knowledge like Mason did, because if it's the latter just stop... no one appreciates it.

And by the way, this "either you believe envoy is invincible or you belong in the looney bin" rhetoric has got to stop. It's not productive and getting old.

Originally Posted by RJ Pilot

He was a know it all when he was at eagle as well. Every FO's FAs laughed at him.

Originally Posted by eaglefly

I laugh at you. You've botched my identity since the beginning. No matter.........you should be worrying less about me and more about your Envoy future because your phony GV claims will never materialize into an annual $250,000 payday.

There's always the Lottery though.

Originally Posted by publicphone

Well folks, I don't know why our MEC continues to hide specifics from you, but here are some more.

We begin transferring our CRJs to PSA in June of 2015.
We will park the remaining 38 EMB140s in 2015.
We will transfer 15 EMB145s to Trans States in 2015.
Then, we will transfer another 15 EMB145s to a yet unnamed airline in 2016.
We will transfer another 20 EMB145s to Piedmont, all in 2016.

That means that we will have gone from over 300 aircraft at the end of 2008 to 68 airplanes by the end of 2016. Additionally, the company disclosed a long time ago that with less than 70 aircraft on property, the flight department could not make a profit and would be liquidated.

So let's think this through. A few months ago, we had the opportunity to lock in 170 aircraft guarantee with NO wiggle room for management, despite Ray Igou's current lies about management having the ability to stop the flow or reduce the aircraft guarantee due to staffing. Not only was Ray Igou not there at the time, but his individual has already proven his gross inability to maintain any actual facts as was again proven on Council 121's teleconference.

So management is still offering a fleet guarantee, an enhanced flow, and relief on the 12/4 caps, should AA slow or stop its hiring. But our self-serving MEC continues to hide the ball.

Someone should please help me understand how your elected representatives have helped you. They have lost 40 aircraft from the fleet guarantee, they have lost most of the 145s, the have lost our CRJs and the promised 900s, they have lost all credibility with the APA, and they are jeopardizing the flow through for the rest of us.

Tell the MEC to put the proposal out for a vote and to get their self-serving personalities out of the way.

Originally Posted by eaglefly

lol !!!

Folks look at this post. First of all it set up to make it look bad by starting from unrelated parker threat issues back in 2008 (300 aircraft), instead of the present, more accurate fleet count. All these plans have yet to be executed btw and thus are still unconsummated threats. Then it goes into a diatribe to pit the pilots against the membership and do (again) what they want, that being to bypass the union and go direct to the pilots as the last plea begs. This time they know that can't pressure the mec claiming they don't represent the pilots and are therefore now hoping to throw enough mud on the wall here to accomplish that. They - are - becoming - desperate.

People, this is a classic management divide and conquer tactic and made by a paid stooge. You've got to be able to spot these attacks. Some are more stealthy, but this one is clumsily obvious. The plan has always been to diversify eagle envoy's slice of the pie and it's just they want to reshape that as an excuse to whittle down costs there. Union busting is alive and well under the parker regime.

Originally Posted by RJ Pilot

Sure! You still have those silly frosty tips in your hair like the black street boys or you finally grew out of them?

Originally Posted by eaglefly

Much too old for that nonsense. Speaking of nonsense, I've been looking over the corporate threads and have yet to find your name, Mr. "RJ Pilot". Several discussions on Gulfstreams and one about how corporations feel about 121 pilots. If your absurd claim of moving from an Eagle EMB pilot to the left seat of a GV (with zero International global experience) @250K wasn't complete and total B.S., you'd be over there too, but you're not are you ?

We know there's a reason for that. That's because you've never left Envoy and still pray nightly for another chance to vote others under the bus to feather your increasingly sparse nest. Oh, and spare us any "I don't feel like it" or "I don't have time" crapola.

If you're going to fabricate a claim like that, you really should put better effort into supporting the lie. Perhaps, I've missed you there though. Could you point me to some of your posts there, Mr. "GV Captain" ?

Originally Posted by RJ Pilot

LOL, There are more professional boards out there than APC. The ones you pay to keep the bickering out or the know it alls like you. You have no clue about my aviation experiences.....

Don't be hating.