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Old 11-27-2014 | 06:11 AM
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Originally Posted by diva
Guys... relax... patience...
Patience has caused us to shrink from 3200 to probably 2300 pilots. Schedules now suck. Relaxing , Patience or waiting are not our friends.
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Old 11-27-2014 | 06:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Phantom
Patience has caused us to shrink from 3200 to probably 2300 pilots. Schedules now suck. Relaxing , Patience or waiting are not our friends.
You're an Envoy "new hire" ?

LOL !!! You join last month, list yourself as a new-hire and then pontificate like a long-time Envoy (Eagle) veteran and expert who has this situation completely figured out ?

LOLouder !!!

You're a fake.

3200 pilots was WELL before any of this business with Parker started, so stop falsely inflating the situation to assist in selling your agenda. The FACT is that once the merger occurred, there were over 10 regionals feeding the combined entity and diversification was inevitable. To think Envoy would have become the King of Eagles is misguided error, but is sold by those stumping for the interests of management. Like you.

Additionally, the regional feed network will be smaller........MUCH smaller due to the realities of the ever decreasing availability of pilots and will comprise of all larger RJ aircraft in the 64-76 seat range. Look for perhaps 300 or so Jets and that means the overall network will shrink by half from its present state. Divided among 3-4 feeders, that's 75-100 aircraft a piece (ultimately). Some of these feeders will merge (Envoy) and others will vaporize. What everyone is seeing now is simply a temporary stopgap pawn shuffling to plug the dike holes (which is failing) while getting some additional reduction in costs.

It would behoove all those affected to look at the long-term end game big picture, instead of focusing on small, temporary acts designed to instill FUD (Fear, Uncertainty, Desperation (or doubt)). Listen to some of the dike holes here;

They claim to be scared, claim you should be scared and preach FEAR.
They claim disaster is all but certain on the present path and preach UNCERTAINTY.
They beg, plead and cry to the heavens that something must be done and NOW preaching DESPERATION (and doubt).

Like another said, relax, take a deep breath and for god's sake, DON'T LISTEN TO JERRY'S DIKE HOLES !
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Old 11-27-2014 | 06:48 AM
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Originally Posted by eaglefly
You're an Envoy "new hire" ?

LOL !!! You join last month, list yourself as a new-hire and then pontificate like a long-time Envoy (Eagle) veteran and expert who has this situation completely figured out ?

LOLouder !!!

You're a fake.

3200 pilots was WELL before any of this business with Parker started, so stop falsely inflating the situation to assist in selling your agenda. The FACT is that once the merger occurred, there were over 10 regionals feeding the combined entity and diversification was inevitable. To think Envoy would have become the King of Eagles is misguided error, but is sold by those stumping for the interests of management.

Additionally, the regional feed network will be smaller........MUCH smaller due to the realities of the ever decreasing availability of pilots and will comprise of all larger RJ aircraft in the 64-76 seat range. Look for perhaps 300 or so Jets and that means the overall network will shrink by half from its present state. Divided among 3-4 feeders, that's 75-100 aircraft a piece (ultimately). Some of these feeders will merge (Envoy) and others will vaporize. What everyone is seeing now is simply a temporary stopgap pawn shuffling to plug the dike holes (which is failing) while getting some additional reduction in costs.

It would behoove all those affected to look at the long-term end game big picture, instead of focusing on small, temporary acts designed to instill FUD (Fear, Uncertainty, Desperation). Listen to some of the dike holes here;

They are scared, claim you should be scared and preach FEAR.
They claim disaster is all but certain on the present path and preach UNCERTAINTY.
They beg, plead and cry to the heavens that something must be done and NOW preaching DESPERATION.

Like another said, relax, take a deep breath and for god's sake, DON'T LISTEN TO JERRY'S DIKE HOLES !
You must be a new hire at PSA that wants to get off reserve sooner by getting more of our flying. Under our current and past MEC we are dwindling away and will close shop. That is a where we are heading. Fear ,uncertainty and desperation are now reality. WTFU
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Old 11-27-2014 | 07:11 AM
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this mec s has done nothing that is detrimental to this pilot group like the tony scum era unless your point is that they have not bent over the pilots as the tony scum era had. the tony era lied about scope, they lied about fleet they lied about the sun does not rise in the morning and now we have a brush fire.

your point about the current mec is bull but serves management trolling.
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Old 11-27-2014 | 07:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Phantom
You must be a new hire at PSA that wants to get off reserve sooner by getting more of our flying. Under our current and past MEC we are dwindling away and will close shop. That is a where we are heading. Fear ,uncertainty and desperation are now reality. WTFU
Sure......that's what I am. Muddying up the water with distractions like that isn't improving your results.
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Old 11-27-2014 | 07:40 AM
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Originally Posted by buddies8
this mec s has done nothing that is detrimental to this pilot group like the tony scum era unless your point is that they have not bent over the pilots as the tony scum era had. the tony era lied about scope, they lied about fleet they lied about the sun does not rise in the morning and now we have a brush fire.

your point about the current mec is bull but serves management trolling.
Actually, think of this situation as that of a cancer patient. Previously, the patient did all the wrong things and now has the disease (thanks to team tony and most of the previous leaderships going back even before the Texas Mafia).

Is the solution of the hope of cure to CONTINUE to do all those same things or make hard and painful lifestyle change in addition to undergoing unpleasant treatment ?

It's going to get worse before its gets better, but the only hope of reversing this situation and minimizing the symptoms is change and that includes some temporarily painful treatment. Come sometime next Summer, if the present treatment plan is maintained, I think it will be shown that this "cancer" can be treated. Again, one major key is to avoid the promises of periodic snake oil hucksters trying to sell you their cure for your problem. They work for the cancer itself and are simply a dead-end path to destruction.
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Old 11-27-2014 | 01:03 PM
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I wish that was the case. But its more like the cancer has eaten away one of your legs and one arm. And for some reason you are under the impression they will grow back. Also doing nothing about the cancer will cause it not to spread. We are all most at stage five in my opinion.
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Old 11-27-2014 | 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Phantom
I wish that was the case. But its more like the cancer has eaten away one of your legs and one arm. And for some reason you are under the impression they will grow back. Also doing nothing about the cancer will cause it not to spread. We are all most at stage five in my opinion.
Hi Jerry!!
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Old 11-27-2014 | 02:06 PM
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if I m stage five, then I have nothing to lose, burn the house down with me.
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Old 11-27-2014 | 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by eaglefly
Actually, think of this situation as that of a cancer patient. Previously, the patient did all the wrong things and now has the disease (thanks to team tony and most of the previous leaderships going back even before the Texas Mafia).

Is the solution of the hope of cure to CONTINUE to do all those same things or make hard and painful lifestyle change in addition to undergoing unpleasant treatment ?

It's going to get worse before its gets better, but the only hope of reversing this situation and minimizing the symptoms is change and that includes some temporarily painful treatment. Come sometime next Summer, if the present treatment plan is maintained, I think it will be shown that this "cancer" can be treated. Again, one major key is to avoid the promises of periodic snake oil hucksters trying to sell you their cure for your problem. They work for the cancer itself and are simply a dead-end path to destruction.



Fat Jack and the East Texas Mafia. Now those were the original yes voters.

The sheep are still scared over there.

What I heard.
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