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Captain Tony 12-09-2014 04:10 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1778234)
DALPA was willing to attempt to get management to merge the airlines. I don't think they would have had any success in that. They tried to work a prenup. I was at one of the meetings. Comairs position was no prenup. The made it 100% clear they would only accept ALPA merger policy and would push for DOH in arbitration.
It was a classic case of pigs get feed and hogs get slaughtered.
Regardless as you mention and I agree Delta management was not going to merge the airlines so even had a prenup been reached nothing would have changed.

I was on the ASA MEC in that time frame, and I attended ALL of the meetings (not just one). I can testify that there WAS a prenup, between ASA and CMR and the two MECs even had a handshake agreement to merge seniority on straight DOH as our seniority lists almost matched exactly. The only part you have correct is that staple wasn't and never should have been an option. The goal was, as you said, to invoke ALPA merger policy. That could have been a seniority rig, or any other negotiated/arbitrated list. The handful calling for straight DOH between CMR/ASA and DAL were a vast and vocal minority. Nobody in a serious decision making position thought a 20 year RJ captain was going to fly a DAL 767.

But because of the rumors, misinformation, and biases passed around that the RJ pukes were trying to "steal' DAL seniority, DALPA vowed to kill it, and since they had DAL management by the balls, DAL never pushed it. DALPA was then and still is adamant that no regional pilot will ever get a spot on "their" seniority list with out being "properly vetted" by their exhaustive interview process (which DAL doesn't even use any more). Which really shot themselves in the foot, because the "RJ problem' could have been solved 10 years ago, putting them in a massive competitive position in every way.

80ktsClamp 12-09-2014 04:25 AM

The interview process now is the same format as the late 90s/early 00s with small modifications. So, there is one gaping hole in your information...

Captain Tony 12-09-2014 05:19 AM


Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1779258)
The interview process now is the same format as the late 90s/early 00s with small modifications. So, there is one gaping hole in your information...

How bout that dreaded "psych eval"????? And you didn't refute anything else, so I'll assume you agree.

GogglesPisano 12-09-2014 05:48 AM


Originally Posted by Captain Tony (Post 1779276)
How bout that dreaded "psych eval"????? And you didn't refute anything else, so I'll assume you agree.

I believe the only thing that disappeared was the physical.

Captain Tony 12-09-2014 06:14 AM


Originally Posted by GogglesPisano (Post 1779295)
I believe the only thing that disappeared was the physical.

I assure you, applicants aren't going to see that lunatic in Midtown any more, and the current evaluation isn't a make or break like it used to be. And let's face it, it wasn't a "psych" eval, it was to see if you fit the Delta Air Lines mold...

jethikoki 12-09-2014 07:49 AM


Originally Posted by Captain Tony (Post 1779250)
DALPA was then and still is adamant that no regional pilot will ever get a spot on "their" seniority list with out being "properly vetted" by their exhaustive interview process (which DAL doesn't even use any more).

How did DAL "properly vet" the Western Airlines and NWA pilots?

Mesabah 12-09-2014 08:35 AM

It's always been union politics running the show, that's why I get a kick out of Sailingfun, or alfaromero, trying to argue it's not.

NWA320pilot 12-09-2014 09:25 AM


Originally Posted by jethikoki (Post 1779391)
How did DAL "properly vet" the Western Airlines and NWA pilots?

Are you really this stupid or just like to rant on web boards? :rolleyes:

NERD 12-09-2014 09:26 AM

We already were vetted when hired at a mainline. No comparison in new hire quals between a legacy and regional. Also, we had language in our contract preventing fragmentation and the honoring of our seniority list. You did not and still don't.




Originally Posted by jethikoki (Post 1779391)
How did DAL "properly vet" the Western Airlines and NWA pilots?


RB211 12-09-2014 11:41 AM

What a bunch of elitist snobs? Same damn job, not fooling anyone...


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