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TheTransporter 12-09-2014 12:55 PM


Originally Posted by NERD (Post 1779457)
We already were vetted when hired at a mainline. No comparison in new hire quals between a legacy and regional. Also, we had language in our contract preventing fragmentation and the honoring of our seniority list. You did not and still don't.

We all have the same license and do the same job. This bull **** is why the regional outsourcing is still around. Get over your self. Some how 1000 hours in the military or a dad that works at mainline makes you more qualified then 20,000 hour regional pilots. Every group needs someone to snub.

Mesabah 12-09-2014 01:40 PM


Originally Posted by NERD (Post 1779457)
We already were vetted when hired at a mainline. No comparison in new hire quals between a legacy and regional. Also, we had language in our contract preventing fragmentation and the honoring of our seniority list. You did not and still don't.

Arbitrary barriers only serve to create cut throat competition, where management gets pilots at low cost to gain experience needed to do an easier job. In turn that lowers the value of your labor, as I can do a better job for half the price.

80ktsClamp 12-09-2014 02:23 PM


Originally Posted by TheTransporter (Post 1779588)
We all have the same license and do the same job. This bull **** is why the regional outsourcing is still around. Get over your self. Some how 1000 hours in the military or a dad that works at mainline makes you more qualified then 20,000 hour regional pilots. Every group needs someone to snub.

Keep telling yourself that.

80ktsClamp 12-09-2014 02:30 PM


Originally Posted by Captain Tony (Post 1779276)
How bout that dreaded "psych eval"????? And you didn't refute anything else, so I'll assume you agree.

The shrink is still done. Only the medical has gone away.

As far as the first paragraph, that sounds similar to other stories I've heard as how it went down.

The good news is that the small jet scope pendulum is swinging strongly back to mainline which is good for everyone. You'll have to be vetted, though. ;)

Bartender 12-09-2014 02:32 PM


Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1779645)
Keep telling yourself that.

Sorry 80kts, but transporter is correct. I came from another profession before this one, and I have never seen such a level of contempt and second class citizenship between professionals as I have seen between legacy mainline and regional pilots. It's disgusting quite frankly. Delta is the worse offender. The Northwest guys treat us much better. The points being made here are valid, the mainline guys just won't accept that they look down their nose at regional pilots.

80ktsClamp 12-09-2014 02:47 PM


Originally Posted by Bartender (Post 1779653)
Sorry 80kts, but transporter is correct. I came from another profession before this one, and I have never seen such a level of contempt and second class citizenship between professionals as I have seen between legacy mainline and regional pilots. It's disgusting quite frankly. Delta is the worse offender. The Northwest guys treat us much better. The points being made here are valid, the mainline guys just won't accept that they look down their nose at regional pilots.

That is a former northwest guy that transporter was going off on. I used to jumpseat on Delta frequently before I got hired there and was always treated very nice (except for one oddball, who as it turns out is one of the most hated ATL captains).

jethikoki 12-09-2014 03:14 PM

According to NWA 320 I'm stupid. He is probably right and others have also pointed out my poor grammar and writing ability. That also goes along with being stupid too I suppose. I'm just trying to understand this antiquated system in modern times but I think I am close to getting it now.

The regionals were not here in the beginning and regional pilots did not make the rules. Mainline pilots claims squatters rights because they were here first in the beginning, designed the system and wrote the rules. Regionals came after and regional pilots should never expect a level playing field. Also regional pilots should not complain because complaining is afforded to pilots at mainline, (the ones that wrote the rules) not at lower regional level. If something comes to the attention of mainline that the field may become to level, mainline will then be allowed the first opportunity to un level it or tilt it to mainlines favor. "we do know the Delta MEC led a push to remove that merger language at the 1998 ALPA BOD"

All flying should be returned to mainline. Regardless of what happens to regional pilots or how ever the mainline pilots flying is returned, it's ok as long as nothing bad happens to mainline pilots. What ever happens to regional pilots...well there regional pilots so it doesn't matter.

Mesabah 12-09-2014 03:20 PM

Well, in the beginning when the flying was being outsourced there was a campaign to drive the point home that regionals were less safe compared to mainline. That made sense, because you don't talk about how great your replacements are. However, now that the regionals are officially sanctioned by ALPA, it's time to stop the who's better at button pushing.

John Carr 12-09-2014 03:23 PM


Originally Posted by Mesabah (Post 1779679)
Well, in the beginning when the flying was being outsourced there was a campaign to drive the point home that regionals were less safe compared to mainline.

Clarification needed, WHEN?

Back when there were the "commuters" and under code share?

Or early 90's when it was brought under the same paint job?

Who exactly was is campaigning?

TheTransporter 12-09-2014 03:28 PM


Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1779645)
Keep telling yourself that.

Telling my self what? That the CPA business model is designed to suppress wages and create a world where the job I do is some how different and less valuable then the people who just happened to start their careers at a time when the majors where still hiring. Understand this, I have been hired by a major and I have turned it down due to basing and family. Yet you still snub me because I fly for a regional. This is absurd. It is this insanity that has allowed OUR profession to turn into this.


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