Anyone have the exact TA details to post here?

 

Another proof that pilots are stupid. Management 3 - pilots 0

 

But it's ok.. Their hands were tied they had to this or they would be shut down right?

The glass slipper has many owners apparently

 

I wonder if pilots from Envoy were able to take their seniority with them to another carrier if they would've voted the same way? This will never stop. The deck is stacked in the favor of every major airline management group. Regional management groups are contractors, we are sub-contractors and will continue to get bent over....I mean competitively outbid. Unions are impotent and as a group we have no recourse but capitulation. Nothing will ever change on this side of the industry (regional). The next blow to any progress will come with the relaxation of scope. Before you know it, we will all be regional pilots and the major airline pay and benefits will all be just a memory. Merry Christmas!

ONE LIST!

 

I've had it with taking punches for everyone else.

If amount else out there had what happened to Envoy happen to them they would have voted in a contract, too. It's just the usual internet tough guys throwing out the SCAB word at every opportunity, and talk is cheap and easy when you're not the ones with the gun to your head.

I never called any of the PSA/PDT bunch SCABs, but damn, signing contracts knowing other work groups in your airline will be forced to take concessions to realize the contract and that by signing your contract you will be taking another regional's aircraft, that's awful.

If this TA had failed and over 2-3 years time Envoy's aircraft had been parceled out and delivered to other carriers, not a single one of them would have said no. More likely it would have been cheers at the upgrades and new flying it offers.

Envoy would have been forgotten in a couple years.

 

If merging seniority lists was easy, US/AA wouldn't be in the middle of a prolonged 3 way negotiation since the merger was announced.

 

Yeah their jobs didnt depend on it or anything...gosh they are such *******s for voting to keep their jobs....but its cool when you do it

 

I never said it was cool. It's a lousy deal.

 

I agree. There is nothing easy about it. That doesn't mean it shouldn't / couldn't be done. Additionally, the merger of the regional list would be a little different.

ONE LIST!

 

RJ pilot breathes a sigh of relief. Later this year, he'll be able to trade in his 145 for a shiny new 175. Sadly though, all the extra profit from 26 more paying passengers will go into someone else's pocket.