Originally Posted by sqwkvfr (Post 1798175)

words and stuff

Originally Posted by PDTpilotXX (Post 1798169)

Nope. The 2002 re structuring agreement had small jet rates in it, not the newest CBA. Impossible to hear the same thing.

Originally Posted by PDTpilotXX (Post 1798141)

Btw knowingly going to work for a bottom feeder like RAH did more to hurt this industry than what you are suggesting. Idiot.

Originally Posted by sqwkvfr (Post 1798175)

Hold on a second, there, jack.

First of all, I don't know what in the hell your problem is with Republic pilots, but I've heard about enough trash-talking from pilots from other places under the cloak of anonymity thinking that they have even half of clue about the history of of Republic's pilot group.

Republic pilots have NEVER voted in a concessionary contract. NOT ONE, EVER.

We voted 85% AGAINST what industry analysts called an industry-leading contract and astounded and scared the crap out of the HQ crowd when we did it. We've held our heads high since then and will continue to do so, despite sophomoric, juvenile and idiotic comments like YOURS.

The Envoy guys talked real tough on this and other message boards about how the Republic pilots would cave on our TA vote, how we we're somehow "beneath (you)" if we did, and look who it was that voted in concessions to get shiny new jets....NOT REPUBLIC PILOTS.

Republic's pilots and their union have long been engaged in a hard-fought battle against one of the most anti-labor management teams since the Frank Lorenzo era. These people have written the book on tightening the screws on a pilot group in every facet of our operation and we have NOT GIVEN THEM AN INCH unless required by law, and WE NEVER WILL, UNLIKE certain other pilot groups.

The vast majority of the people on property at Republic came to this place when it was "the" place to be and many of those hired in the last three or so years have realized their mistake and are moving on. Fully half of our monthly pilot attrition are FOs fleeing the ship. Those who remain are committed to not give an inch until we get what it is we deserve.

Regardless, this pilots group finds itself in it's current position as the result of immoral management, an apathetic government, an antiquated depression-era law, a Federal Agency holding us hostage in order to increase their budget and influence, and a national union that cares more about collecting dues than rocking the boat during Democratic President's term, not because we voted to lower the bar, REGARDLESS of the reason. We are in this position DESPITE our best efforts, not as the result of them, unlike other pilot groups.

This pilot group is nowhere near the "useful idiots" that you presume who were sold a bill of goods and were "stupid enough" to come to Republic....and to be fair, those descriptions could very well be applied to many pilots that have recently gone to work at other airlines.

This air of superiority being demonstrated by some pilots from other groups is juvenile, misplaced, and incorrect....and while I apologize for what appears to be another Republic pilot for starting this little dust-up, I am NOT going to stand idly by and let some snot-nosed punk try to tough-talk a group of pilots with twice the intestinal fortitude and resolve than you will ever understand. I'd go so far as to call it hypocritical, considering a certain recent self-serving TA vote.

Watch what happens over the next few months with our contract negotiations. We are NOT going to be fed some line of BS and acquiesce to the management of the 4th most profitable airline in the world. No one is going to scare Republic pilots into voting in concessions and we will get what we deserve.

It's too bad we can't say that about all pilot groups.

Originally Posted by Bonanzer (Post 1798192)

So is going to psa, pdt, and envoy more noble? I think feeding the aag concession machine is probably the greater evil.

Originally Posted by Bonanzer (Post 1798192)

So is going to psa, pdt, and envoy more noble? I think feeding the aag concession machine is probably the greater evil.

Originally Posted by PDTpilotXX (Post 1798201)

I would say supporting and working for airlines like Silver, RAH, Lakes, Endeavor, etc with crap contracts does in fact hurt the industry more than going to an AWAC, XJet, ENY, PDT, Horizon.

Let me know when you guys get released by the NMB and I'll be the first one volunteering to walk with you guys.

Originally Posted by Bonanzer (Post 1798219)

But don't use our contract stagnation as an excuse for your pilot groups cowardly actions.

Originally Posted by Bonanzer (Post 1798219)

Your losing me. Pdt did the same thing endeavor did. Thankfully silver, rah, lakes, and endeavor can't staff. I hope I see the day when rah pilots can walk, but unfortunately the nmb has made it clear that won't happen. So it's either agree to BB crap or keep our even crappier contract and hope the staffing issues will work in our favor. I personally could care less what happens at pdt, psa, and envoy because I don't feel it affects us at rah at all. But don't use our contract stagnation as an excuse for your pilot groups cowardly actions.

Originally Posted by PDTpilotXX (Post 1798236)

You're delusional or at least misunderstood what I was saying... You still have no idea how good our contract is, what our TA actually did for this group (not at all like endeavor, I suggest you read their deal and then our CBA and LOA). You went to an airline that had been a drag on this industry for decades and you are crapping on airlines like PDT without knowing a thing about them. You think you do but by saying we did what Endeavor did, proved you don't. I guess with our cowardly actions of securing pay raises and jobs at American we will leave you all to it. Enjoy RAH.

Originally Posted by Bonanzer (Post 1798259)

Haha maybe. But lumping pdt and your new 12/4 pay scale with contracts at horizon awhiskey Skywest is just crazy. I'm not defending rah's cba. Im just defending our contract battle. You said earlier you were an loa no voter? If this loa and contract are so great why did you vote no. I think we found the delusional one lol.

Originally Posted by sqwkvfr (Post 1798175)

Hold on a second, there, jack.

First of all, I don't know what in the hell your problem is with Republic pilots, but I've heard about enough trash-talking from pilots from other places under the cloak of anonymity thinking that they have even half of clue about the history of of Republic's pilot group.

Republic pilots have NEVER voted in a concessionary contract. NOT ONE, EVER.

We voted 85% AGAINST what industry analysts called an industry-leading contract and astounded and scared the crap out of the HQ crowd when we did it. We've held our heads high since then and will continue to do so, despite sophomoric, juvenile and idiotic comments like YOURS.

The Envoy guys talked real tough on this and other message boards about how the Republic pilots would cave on our TA vote, how we we're somehow "beneath (you)" if we did, and look who it was that voted in concessions to get shiny new jets....NOT REPUBLIC PILOTS.

Republic's pilots and their union have long been engaged in a hard-fought battle against one of the most anti-labor management teams since the Frank Lorenzo era. These people have written the book on tightening the screws on a pilot group in every facet of our operation and we have NOT GIVEN THEM AN INCH unless required by law, and WE NEVER WILL, UNLIKE certain other pilot groups.

The vast majority of the people on property at Republic came to this place when it was "the" place to be and many of those hired in the last three or so years have realized their mistake and are moving on. Fully half of our monthly pilot attrition are FOs fleeing the ship. Those who remain are committed to not give an inch until we get what it is we deserve.

Regardless, this pilots group finds itself in it's current position as the result of immoral management, an apathetic government, an antiquated depression-era law, a Federal Agency holding us hostage in order to increase their budget and influence, and a national union that cares more about collecting dues than rocking the boat during Democratic President's term, not because we voted to lower the bar, REGARDLESS of the reason. We are in this position DESPITE our best efforts, not as the result of them, unlike other pilot groups.

This pilot group is nowhere near the "useful idiots" that you presume who were sold a bill of goods and were "stupid enough" to come to Republic....and to be fair, those descriptions could very well be applied to many pilots that have recently gone to work at other airlines.

This air of superiority being demonstrated by some pilots from other groups is juvenile, misplaced, and incorrect....and while I apologize for what appears to be another Republic pilot for starting this little dust-up, I am NOT going to stand idly by and let some snot-nosed punk try to tough-talk a group of pilots with twice the intestinal fortitude and resolve than you will ever understand. I'd go so far as to call it hypocritical, considering a certain recent self-serving TA vote.

Watch what happens over the next few months with our contract negotiations. We are NOT going to be fed some line of BS and acquiesce to the management of the 4th most profitable airline in the world. No one is going to scare Republic pilots into voting in concessions and we will get what we deserve.

It's too bad we can't say that about all pilot groups.

Originally Posted by billyho (Post 1798198)

First off Jack you guys voted down a joke! It wasn't even CLOSE to an industry leading contract. Piedmont's 25 year old contract way more superior then that TA contract. Industry leading was thrown in there by Bedford.

The problem is Republic was formed and it launched the E-Jets. We had Piedmont people leave to fly the E-Jets knowing they'd make less money then flying a 37 seat prop. Knowing there insurance costs would more then triple.

I'm sure some had there reasons but they knew going into it what they were getting into. Those are the people that hurt the industry by going to crap hole airlines.

Now I understand your fight but I will tell you that Republic Pilots would've voted in our TA hands down. Better workrules, better insurance costs, flow thru. You would've been paid for you time. What you guys have now is a disgrace to all the other regionals that have fought hard for improvements. And the only reason was everyone was excited to fly a mainline jet.

I had one FO tell me he had to leave Piedmont for Republic because he was tired of telling people what kind of plane he was flying because it was embarrassing. I looked at him and told him, "what's more embarrassing the plane you are flying or what you're being paid to fly it?" Because there's no way in hell I'd fly a E-Jet for 20k a year and I'd be embarrassed telling anyone.

Originally Posted by sqwkvfr (Post 1798337)

So by you own admission, you had absolutely NOTHING to do with your awesome 25(?)-year-old contract, yet you're claiming some moral high ground just because you decided to to go to work for PDT and stay there?

Wow. WHAT a contribution to the industry. You should be one proud person. :rolleyes:

I and a couple thousand other RJET pilots will fight every minute we're here to make the place better...not only for us, but those who follow AND every other pilot in the business.

We believe that a rising tide lifts ALL ships.....You'll pardon us if we don't exactly thank you for your contribution to that end.

Originally Posted by What (Post 1797788)

Can't wait until your 175th post, should be epic!

Originally Posted by LAXSAAB (Post 1798750)

When exactly was RAH the place to be? I was an early 2008 hire and it sucked the entire time I was there. FO pay was pathetic, and the company routinely violated the contract. RAH current CBA undercut places like Comair, Eagle, ExpressJet, and many more 10 years ago. The only reason RAH grew so much is because of the very cheap labor cost. Yes captain pay was okay but FO pay was ridiculous.

Originally Posted by HappyCrew (Post 1798883)

Whats the current upgrade time over there???? I heard most of the people leaving are FO's...

Originally Posted by HappyCrew (Post 1798883)

Whats the current upgrade time over there???? I heard most of the people leaving are FO's...

Originally Posted by gatorbuc99 (Post 1799917)

Seniority...for what? future potential mergers? how would that jive w/ ALPA merger policy if an ALPA carrier merger came about?

Originally Posted by Rahlifer (Post 1800343)

The company recruiters will tell prospective pilots just about anything to get the fresh meat in the door. There is absolutely no chance of any contract being ratified within the next couple years. The incredibly effective Teamsters have managed to secure agreements about important items such as what color buttons my uniform blazer shall have or what the company's responsibility is should I be kidnapped by Canadian ninjas.

For those poor souls that do find themselves out on the line here, just understand that for all intents and purposes, we are a non-Union carrier. Sure, we pay protection money every month to the IBT in exchange for a mighty fine trucker magazine. That's it. Nothing else. Period. Our incredibly weak and outdated CBA is violated and re-interpreted on a daily basis.

We have absolutely no pay protection whatsoever so plan on min guarantee regardless of what you're awarded. Everyone is on reserve and subject to reschedule at any time for any reason. Two hour FDP extensions are MANDATORY. The only way to not accept it is to call in sick or fatigued, both of which subject you to disciplinary action.

If that kinda stuff sounds like a good time, then come on over. Just be sure that you can live on $36.62 for a minimum of 5-8 years. That's the realistic minimum upgrade time and the permanent cap on FO pay rates. No matter what the recruiters tell you. We are parking airplanes just to staff current flying. Who knows how they're planning on staffing those shiny new RJ's on order. Our top brass made some pretty arrogant assumptions that some other regionals would fail soon and open the floodgates with desperate pilots looking for someplace to land. Oops.

Originally Posted by gatorbuc99 (Post 1799917)

Seniority...for what? future potential mergers? how would that jive w/ ALPA merger policy if an ALPA carrier merger came about?

Originally Posted by Geardownflaps30 (Post 1800569)

Much of this reply is correct except about credit and pay. In spite of trying to work less, I've never flown less than 83 hrs in a month and usually average in the low 90's...

This place is somewhat of a sweatshop. You will work and credit a lot unless you play games.

I dream of a min guarantee month ... Even if I'm just sitting in a hotel!!

Been here two years and have blocked over 1700 hrs in that time. Credit was even higher. Great if you're looking to build time.

Many other aspects s*ck tho...

Originally Posted by Systemized (Post 1800621)

How do you credit more than block when you have no work rules?

Originally Posted by embraerjetpilot (Post 1797985)

No contract any time soon...thanks to the sell outs at Eagle, PSA, and Piedmont.

Originally Posted by unclenobby (Post 1800624)

Block or better?


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Originally Posted by Systemized (Post 1800640)

Is that the only type of soft pay you have? I heard you guys don't have junior manning which is probably good.

Originally Posted by Skydude58 (Post 1800630)

Buddy, the only reason you guys are all over MIA is cause Envoy held the line as much as they could.... The pilot group was offered 175s in MIA and we said no...the pilot group got tired of all you guys saying "we hot your back" and see how LAX, SJU, MIA close and see DFW & ORD be cannabilezed by bottom feeders...

Originally Posted by Systemized (Post 1800640)

Is that the only type of soft pay you have? I heard you guys don't have junior manning which is probably good.

Originally Posted by sidelinesam (Post 1800668)

Deadheading also counts toward credit.

Originally Posted by Skydude58 (Post 1800630)

Buddy, the only reason you guys are all over MIA is cause Envoy held the line as much as they could.... The pilot group was offered 175s in MIA and we said no...the pilot group got tired of all you guys saying "we hot your back" and see how LAX, SJU, MIA close and see DFW & ORD be cannabilezed by bottom feeders...

Originally Posted by Rahlifer (Post 1800684)

Deadhead pay is 75% of scheduled block. Scheduled being the operative word. We dead head all over creation and back. If it's a company aircraft, we've been getting away with getting 75% of actual block due to some software issues. We regularly DH on other carriers and only get pay based on scheduled block regardless of how long the flight actually takes. I've spent over two hours in the back of a CRJ in the penalty box in ORD completely unpaid because the scheduled block was only 1 hour. So, 45 minutes of pay for 3.5 hours in the back of a CRJ. To add a little salt to the wound, I was removed from my turn out of ORD because of how late we arrived at the gate. No pay protection for that plus a 3+ hour sit before flying off to my reduced rest overnight. This was well before part 117 was even a dream.

Originally Posted by Skydude58 (Post 1800630)

Buddy, the only reason you guys are all over MIA is cause Envoy held the line as much as they could.... The pilot group was offered 175s in MIA and we said no...the pilot group got tired of all you guys saying "we hot your back" and see how LAX, SJU, MIA close and see DFW & ORD be cannabilezed by bottom feeders...