RAH new contract?
 

I recently got a call from an RAH recruiter, When I asked about the status of the negotiations I was told that is was "almost" done and great things were about to happen as they are renegotiating the entire contract. They were excited to tell me that the 2 year commitment was off the table until the end of February.
Please understand, I'm aware of the kool-aid they were offering, I'm just curious and looking for clarification.

What 2 year commitment? The one if you take the money? So you are saying right now they are offering the money with no commitment? Hmmmm tempting. So Tempting.

The way they explained it to me was if you took a class before March, there was NO 2 year commitment. There is a sign on bonus dpending on the fleet type you choose, 10k for 145's (with the expectation that you will be back in training in about 1-1.5 years for the 175) and 7.5k for the 175's. pro rated if you leave before 1 year.

Gonna be a while. Only 2 out of 25ish articles are ta'd. Our current nc won't agree to junk like the teamsters airline division did. Only time will tell if the company is going to play ball. My guess is the whole thing will grind to a halt when we start to get into some real articles. Also don't believe anything a recruiter says. The contract was "almost" done when I was hired years ago.

Id tell them to call back when its done and "great things" start happening.

I don't know anything about the training contract or bonus commitment but I can tell you we are NOWHERE near a new CBA.

I doubt we'll see one this year at all.

RAH new contract?
 

The only reason why management would play ball later in negotiations is to try and solve the HUGE staffing problem we have here.

I think I agree with you though I asked FL on the committee if he expects a TA outside of 6 months and he thought well within 6 months. The company is scrambling. I won't believe it until we have something to vote on.

It's much cheaper to get asses in the seats by lying to prospective new hires than it is to play ball with your pilot group......and a management team that has become so accustomed to lying to everyone with which it deals (including congress) will have absolutely no qualms about lying to you.

Do not be fooled.

I'm still in a very optimistic state of mind here in my young naive pre-airline days, but I can definitely attest to the fact that recruiters will paint a picture rosier than things really are to get you to come work for them. Envoy was touting the fact that they were getting E-175s since late 2013... They're not wrong (now...), but they said things as a very matter a fact that the TA would get passed as each one was presented.

Don't go to a company based on what is SUPPOSED to be. Go based on what IS, and what works best for YOU.

This is my 171st post...:D

Can't wait until your 175th post, should be epic!

No contract any time soon...thanks to the sell outs at Eagle, PSA, and Piedmont.

Fellas, do we have to do this now?

Thank God you Republic people had already set the bar so high.

Wow, you really swallowed that one whole, didn't you?

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Kinda like the 3,000 pilots at republic did.:rolleyes:

Bahahahaha our book is still so much better than what you guys will get it's not even funny. You knew what you were getting into when you went to fly for an airline like that.

Amazing that Republic people don't even realize the damage they did by going to that outfit. Hey let me go fly a E-Jet and make less money then what I'm making flying a 37 seat Dash 8. I really want to fly a jet so bad I'll do it for less money.:rolleyes:

Exactly what to you mean? What we have is a **** sandwich but in 2003 it was the best **** sandwich we could possibly get. Piedmont, PSA, and Eagle gave up when their parent company was bringing home record profits.

These PDT and posa morons posting here are clueless. You're sellouts. Plain and simple.

Clueless? No, I actually know how to read. Even if we didn't take that TA our book is still better than what you guys were and are looking at. It's amazing people think bc we are an old company flying old pos planes that our book sucks.

What are we looking at? Because no one at republic has seen anything since our TA was voted DOWN. Voted down, something you pdt guys could have learned from us. Does it make you cringe to know you let management beat you?

You call your TA a TA??

You call your concessions a TA?

And no I don't. That's why it was voted down. The same thing your pilot group should have done.

Actually No! LOL.....

Hahahahahahaha congratulations on finally standing for something. Glad airlines like Piedmont that led the way for the things you couldn't attain in your last failed TA can still be a goal for you. We increased our health care to industry average over 7 years. We still have one of the best deals in the industry across the board.

Btw knowingly going to work for a bottom feeder like RAH did more to hurt this industry than what you are suggesting. Idiot.

I bet it was better before you VOTED IN concessions.

Yes voter I take it?

Nope. But I support everyone here and their right to vote. Like I said, you knowingly went to a bottom feeder that was taking flying from other carriers bc of rah's incredibly low costs (AWAC, PDT, Xjet, etc) to further your career and now you are trying to pile on PDT and ENY? Hilarious dude.

Voting yes to take concessions for no reason is what is hurting the industry.

Piedmont didn't vote in concessions. We don't get jets then everything stays the same. We get EMB's and it's a pay increase for everyone.

And it's nice to watch our guys flow to mainline and all our guys upgrading. Life is good at Piedmont these days.:D

I can't imagine a new contract is going to change rah's cost when it comes to bidding for flying. Rah is just enjoying an outrageously high profit margin because they have screwed their employees for years. 4th highest profit margin in the world.

A ok. Didn't your previously negotiated contract have rates for jets? Why was there a need to change it? Heard the same thing from PSA guys.

Nope. The 2002 re structuring agreement had small jet rates in it, not the newest CBA. Impossible to hear the same thing.

Hold on a second, there, jack.

First of all, I don't know what in the hell your problem is with Republic pilots, but I've heard about enough trash-talking from pilots from other places under the cloak of anonymity thinking that they have even half of clue about the history of of Republic's pilot group.

Republic pilots have NEVER voted in a concessionary contract. NOT ONE, EVER.

We voted 85% AGAINST what industry analysts called an industry-leading contract and astounded and scared the crap out of the HQ crowd when we did it. We've held our heads high since then and will continue to do so, despite sophomoric, juvenile and idiotic comments like YOURS.

The Envoy guys talked real tough on this and other message boards about how the Republic pilots would cave on our TA vote, how we we're somehow "beneath (you)" if we did, and look who it was that voted in concessions to get shiny new jets....NOT REPUBLIC PILOTS.

Republic's pilots and their union have long been engaged in a hard-fought battle against one of the most anti-labor management teams since the Frank Lorenzo era. These people have written the book on tightening the screws on a pilot group in every facet of our operation and we have NOT GIVEN THEM AN INCH unless required by law, and WE NEVER WILL, UNLIKE certain other pilot groups.

The vast majority of the people on property at Republic came to this place when it was "the" place to be and many of those hired in the last three or so years have realized their mistake and are moving on. Fully half of our monthly pilot attrition are FOs fleeing the ship. Those who remain are committed to not give an inch until we get what it is we deserve.

Regardless, this pilots group finds itself in it's current position as the result of immoral management, an apathetic government, an antiquated depression-era law, a Federal Agency holding us hostage in order to increase their budget and influence, and a national union that cares more about collecting dues than rocking the boat during Democratic President's term, not because we voted to lower the bar, REGARDLESS of the reason. We are in this position DESPITE our best efforts, not as the result of them, unlike other pilot groups.

This pilot group is nowhere near the "useful idiots" that you presume who were sold a bill of goods and were "stupid enough" to come to Republic....and to be fair, those descriptions could very well be applied to many pilots that have recently gone to work at other airlines.

This air of superiority being demonstrated by some pilots from other groups is juvenile, misplaced, and incorrect....and while I apologize for what appears to be another Republic pilot for starting this little dust-up, I am NOT going to stand idly by and let some snot-nosed punk try to tough-talk a group of pilots with twice the intestinal fortitude and resolve than you will ever understand. I'd go so far as to call it hypocritical, considering a certain recent self-serving TA vote.

Watch what happens over the next few months with our contract negotiations. We are NOT going to be fed some line of BS and acquiesce to the management of the 4th most profitable airline in the world. No one is going to scare Republic pilots into voting in concessions and we will get what we deserve.

It's too bad we can't say that about all pilot groups.