RAH Union Meetings???
 

Hi Guys,

Here is an excerpt from the latest union update:

This week was yet another week where there were no direct meetings with the Company. As such, your Negotiating Committee spent the first part of the week meeting with our Insurance and Labor Analyst along with our Labor Attorney. The second half of the week was spent forming proposals for Articles to be presented. Next Tuesday and Thursday we are scheduled for direct negotiations with the Company in Indianapolis, these will be the first "direct" sessions since February 12th. The NC plans on discussing Article 26 (Vacancies) and Article 13 (Physical Standards) as well as presenting Article 23 (Hours of Service) and Article 12 (Leaves of Absence).


Does anyone on here have union knowledge of when they will start discussing the important items THAT WE ACTUALLY CARE ABOUT AND NEED..i.E: PAY, CANCELLATION, etc???

Everyone was SOO confident in the fall that we'd have a TA to vote on by now!

It took 7 years for that last abomination of a TA. It'll probably be another 7 before we see the next one. At least I'll still get a nice, glossy trucker mag for my extortion, errrr, dues money.

The only solution for this place is for everyone to do everything in their power to GTFO, IMHO. I was planning on sticking it out until upgrade, getting 1000 TPIC, and going for a legacy. At this point, I'm applying everywhere that has open windows (not other regionals, though). Screw it. This company is in a death spiral.

I'll be joining you.

Seems like EVERYBODY has the, "I am just trying to get out.....not regionals though." If it comes to leaving a regional for a regional, I would say that was bad, otherwise that seems really normal.

You keep picking up open time at straight time when other regionals are offering at 150% , you keep doing favors to the company when it benefits you! why would the company willing to meet with you more.

Vacancies is actually going to be one of the more contentious Articles to tackle (for instance the Company's definition of "a pilot" when bidding vacancies).

I would imagine that all the compensation based articles will be tackled last since they will be the ones most tossed back and forth.

Then your life at RAH are not that bad. I mean I know life at RAH are really really bad, I just don't think that you think it's that bad. I left RAH for another regional. Life ARE better outside of RAH. Much better... Not all regional are the same.

I did GTFO and I truly believe that is the only middle finger you can give Bedford

Same here. Left for another regional and never looked back. To hell with that management team and the Teamsters too.

This is the biggest reason why we don't have a contract! Also if you work out deals with Screw Scheduling, then you are undermining the CBA. You know who you are " hey I will pick up that day trip if you pay me 8 hours and positive space me home".

Contract? We don't need no stinking contract!

Easy, now.

The only people who thought that we would have a TA by now had unrealistic expectations of the process and the ability to repair the absolutely horrible current CBA. It's not going to be fixed overnight.

Regarding the order of things: Ever have a blowout fight with your wife/girlfriend, etc? How do you re-engage? You begin with areas of common interest or easy agreement and then you move on from there. Trying to start the conversation with the most difficult or contentious subjects will result in the same type of fight from which you are trying to recover.

The Negotiating Committee and the company are going about negotiations in the correct manner. Diving into the deep end would prolong this process. Starting with areas of easy or mutual agreement before taking on the big issues of which you speak allows some semblance of trust and understanding to be built before tackling the difficult issues.

What I've seen from the NC up to this point would lead me to believe that they deserve the benefit of the doubt. I really don't think that it's asking too much for others to do the same.

Why the h*** would I leave this regional for another when I'm less than 100 numbers from the left seat? You have NO idea what my "life" is like here, so don't pretend to you pretentious little wanker. And suggesting I should make a backwards move to the bottom of another seniority list is asinine considering my situation.

Welcome to the present and future. Organized labor has been essentially neutered (well,.......it has helped a great deal to neuter itself) by the government and NMB. Stalling and other delay tactics are now standard when management wants to drag their feet on increased costs. Expect more of the same.

Not to worry though (at least from a karma standpoint) as soon, the shoe will be on the other foot at the regionals as pilot attrition with almost non-existent replacement will soon start claiming casualties. The weaker airlines will begin to fail first while the presently more anchored ones begin to see big losses and parked airplanes. They killed the golden goose and now their goose is cooked as well. It is inevitable. What you're seeing now is simply the increasing process of burning the furniture to heat the house and the scattering of the rats in the process trying to keep their fur from ending up aflame.

The next few years are going to be very interesting.

Not really. If you left for say Piedmont you'd upgrade in less then a 2 years. You'd make twice as much money and you'd have a Job at one of the Majors automatically if you wanted.

That my friend isn't a bad deal if you were still looking at more then 2 years to upgrade at Republic.

I've got a friend that's been there 6 years and still doesn't know when he's upgrading. It's totally depressing hearing him talk.

6 days into March and we were already down 43 pilots. no urgency from the company to increase meetings with our NC. Eagle offering 200% and hotels for commuters and RAH wont even offer time and a half. One reserve for 80 captains in one base. Cant do anything to your schedule with Flica because every single request gets denied. Not one word from bedford. Its unbelievable. Very interesting times ahead

100 numbers? you're looking at 1.5 years at least till upgrade, I was 212 from upgrade and bailed...one of the best decisions ever...

Not at our present attrition. I live in base. I'm not starting over at another regional. I'd quit flying and go full time military before I'd continue perpetuating this management reshuffle ploy.

Lulz, how long you been at Rah? You realize how long Bedford and Co have played you?! Fixed overnight! Unrealistic expectations? I wonder if you have any clue how royally you are getting screwed.

FOs at Republic are hosed, better to have been shutdown, forces you to move on to another company. But no, this limping along, upgrade right around the corner.... If and when you finally upgrade you peers will be new hire with the majors. And if you are lucky enough to get hired it will be at the end of the line, the remainder of your career spent on the backside of the wave. Open your eyes, the decisions you made now are going to stay with you.

if you live in base that's fine.

but I still get all the emails from the union and talk with a bunch of pilots there..

1. about 80% of the attrition is the bottom of the list
2. a massive displacement is expected soon with the parking of the Q's and 145's
3. If you left for TSA or PSA you would upgrade in less than a year and hold a line.
4. we haven't even hit summer yet and RAH is cancelling 25% just due to lack of crews
5. How many pilots are bypassing the 145 for the 170, last I heard it was around 70 which would push back upgrade even further


Even for the sake of the contract...it is so unbearably bad that at TSA I'm on pace to make almost double what I did on 3rd year pay and am sitting Left seat.

Good luck but IMO,staying there for in base is fine but 100 numbers isn't good enough to stay

The money means nothing in my case. Living in base lets me double dip in the Guard, so I'm making about what I would as a Captain anyway. Plus the MIL leave is my own nice little FU to the company. I see why guys at my seniority are leaving for other regionals, it does not make sense for me to do so however. As I said, I see no reason to chase the upgrade, especially if I can get out of here without TPIC.

All that said, guys who come on here and say "If you're not willing to jump to another regional it's business as usual" are, in fact, far out of touch with how bad it's actually gotten here in the past months. I have not had a 2-4 day trip that hasn't been reassigned multiple times since December. So I bid my day trips and take MIL orders whenever I can to keep myself sane.

This company will offer 200% override when pilots stop picking up open time. In my base 10 open times went down to 2 in 2 hours when the offer came in.

agreed. its too bad because its a catch 22, some FOs have to pick up opentime(straight pay, 150 or 200%) so they can survive. i used to only pick up the 8hr dfw turns before i realized it was helping the company a whole lot more than me losing a day off for less than $200 after taxes. simply not worth it. if everyone stopped picking up opetime we wouldnt get 200%....we'd have a ta.

What's the deal with Republics CEO (Bedford)? He treats his employees this poorly and calls himself a Christian? Deplorable.

We basically can blame all this crap on PHL CA E.S.. This guy is a piece of work and doesn't give a crap about the pilot group. He's currently working across the country on the west coast, helping out the company as much as he can. There's a reason he'll never get hired anyplace else. Nobody likes him and he's burned so many bridges, it's not even funny.

We have a west coast base? I thought BB's flat earth ended at the Mississippi River. :p

I think that you have a serious problem with reading comprehension.

Unfortunately we have MANY captains picking up open time. VERY unfortunate.

You are right; I hear this sort of thing often. They tell it as if they're justified because they "worked out a deal".

He made north of 200k a year or so ago. No kidding!

^^^^^^^^^^^^

and this is why you guys will never get a contract. The senior guys continually F*ck the process. Look at how many fly right seat at Capt pay rates on days off. This undermines the whole negotiating process. As long as this is going on, BB has no reason to worry, his boys will pick up the slack.
There are some senior guys that get it there, but sadly most can't look past this months mortgage/boat/alimony/child support payment.
If you all would just stop killing yourselves with extra flying, you would cripple that place right now. Your negotiating power has never been stronger.

That guy is a POS! I flew with him when when I was on reserve in DEN. We had many guys on furlough and he was picking up FO trips. He does not care about anyone but himself! Number one on my list of potential SCAB if RAH ever strikes.

It's was better when he was just over charging the company as a check airman! He will never leave Republic, and he doesn't realize his greediness is just prolonging any CBA. Many of the S5 captains are lifers, but none are even remotely close to E.S.! I hear he gets positive spaced from home routinely, because he loves to help out the company.

not that accurate, I'm in the middle of the total list and move up pretty regularly. More CA's leave than you think.

it's not that massive. I sit 40 or so from the left seat of a 170, 30 from the 145. If they displaced everyone tomorrow they would lose about 40 guys from just saying screw it, and it would basically by them 9 months before they would be in big trouble. Not to mention the sim space for such a training even just doesn't exist.

Not buying that, the money I would lose in the long run isn't close to being worth chasing the left seat and being furlough fodder in the near future.

we don't cancel 25% of our flights, maybe 25% of the total cancellations are crew related. Still way too high.

they have stopped back filling the 145, EWR has been getting bypassed pretty regularly. This year should get through the 2008 hires.


to each his own, I have more than enough RJ training events and FO time to place bottom chaser.

Somebody pm me this jerks name. Can't put it together from initials. Thanks.

It doesn't matter how many leave senior to you, you f they can't attract new hires. What are we negative now anyways? Maybe the company will form a committee to investigate this, I'm sure plenty of our pilots will volunteer to help out:)

I can not stress to you how hire date is a worthless measure....

Go to the union message board and look for Robin Meade.

Ohhhh, that's who that is. Always wondered about that avatar.

That is a good point.

ThreeStripe, look for the girl in the blue dress standing in front of the EICAS.

It is hard to tell that it's Robin Meade...not the best picture of her.