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Flubber 03-17-2015 08:05 PM


Originally Posted by Future Cpt Kirk (Post 1844321)
Red shirt.... Familiar with the company?

Quite so. Look for a PM.

jetn67 03-18-2015 07:03 AM

It's hard to tell who owns anything these days..If you check the FAA registry a lot
of aircraft are registered to LLCs


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JohnLocke 03-18-2015 07:30 AM


Originally Posted by jetn67 (Post 1845029)
It's hard to tell who owns anything these days..If you check the FAA registry a lot
of aircraft are registered to LLCs


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PSAs planes are assets of American Airlines Group and they can do whatever they want with them

FODhopper 03-18-2015 10:34 AM


Originally Posted by billyho (Post 1844849)
PSA like PDT doesn't own any planes. Almost all of PDT's Dash 8's are owned but not by PDT. AAG can do what they want with the planes.

I highly doubt the PSA's 200's will be transferred to AWAC because of how cheap PSA is to operate and the fact they're getting 50 people a month. Every airlines has some issues with staffing but with the quick upgrades PSA isn't having a hard time getting people.

Billy Billy...this is not about staffing...it is about harmonizing fleets. PSA is getting 700s, Envoy 175s or whatever they are. It would make sense to move the 200s to one carrier since all the other carriers in the express system are moving to one fleet type. At least that is what they announced.

I say it makes sense...doesn't mean it is going to happen that way...but such a plan is not an indication of whether you can staff or not...we do know the other express carriers can't cover their flying since AWAC has been asked constantly to pick up extra flying going on a year now.

buddies8 03-18-2015 11:00 AM

psa's ability to attract pilots IS only due to the fact that AAG is publicizing well in advance of actually getting the aircraft, while at the same time AAG announces the demise of another aag owned feeder, aiding psa in recruitment. PSA will eventually end up being a clogged, non movement stagnate operations within 12 months from now. Even aag has made that fact known.

skyxbomb 03-18-2015 11:08 AM


Originally Posted by buddies8 (Post 1845182)
psa's ability to attract pilots IS only due to the fact that AAG is publicizing well in advance of actually getting the aircraft, while at the same time AAG announces the demise of another aag owned feeder, aiding psa in recruitment. PSA will eventually end up being a clogged, non movement stagnate operations within 12 months from now. Even aag has made that fact known.

I'm sure in a few years once 200's starts to expire, AAG will grow PDT or Envoy once PSA is saturated with pilots and stagnant without an ability to attract new hires. They'll increase flow at PSA in a few months so I see PSA being alright for next 3-5 years at least due to cheaper labor rate than other wholly owned. Unless we get critical pay back then I see AAG stop growing PSA due to labor costs.

Moonwolf 03-18-2015 11:23 AM


Originally Posted by FODhopper (Post 1845169)
Billy Billy...this is not about staffing...it is about harmonizing fleets. PSA is getting 700s, Envoy 175s or whatever they are. It would make sense to move the 200s to one carrier since all the other carriers in the express system are moving to one fleet type. At least that is what they announced.

I say it makes sense...doesn't mean it is going to happen that way...but such a plan is not an indication of whether you can staff or not...we do know the other express carriers can't cover their flying since AWAC has been asked constantly to pick up extra flying going on a year now.

For the sake of other awac crews, fodhopper you need to settle down, you're embarrassing us. Harmonizing fleet type?! How'd you come up with that one? Last time I check a cl-65 is a cl65. I know its tough watching others grow while awac sits around like a dead fish. Embrass the fish my friend.

FODhopper 03-18-2015 12:11 PM


Originally Posted by Moonwolf (Post 1845196)
For the sake of other awac crews, fodhopper you need to settle down, you're embarrassing us. Harmonizing fleet type?! How'd you come up with that one? Last time I check a cl-65 is a cl65. I know its tough watching others grow while awac sits around like a dead fish. Embrass the fish my friend.

Do you think I like it either? But absent any other theory at the moment, I thought this forum was about fleshing out the ideas.

If the posited theory is correct and we get a few extra 200s instead of no flying and shut down...then I'll take the 10 year contract...Doesn't mean I believe that is what is going to happen...the Delta fiasco taught us not to believe too deeply.

As for "harmonizing" it only meant each carrier flies one type. Do we all want to be in newer aircraft, with fancy things like coupled VNAV and maybe access to a lav that doesn't require the walk of shame? Sure do.

However, at the moment AWAC still pays green money even when we are cancelled and the view is still the same out the window.

l2flare 03-19-2015 06:03 AM

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billyho 03-19-2015 08:35 AM


Originally Posted by FODhopper (Post 1845169)
Billy Billy...this is not about staffing...it is about harmonizing fleets. PSA is getting 700s, Envoy 175s or whatever they are. It would make sense to move the 200s to one carrier since all the other carriers in the express system are moving to one fleet type. At least that is what they announced.

I say it makes sense...doesn't mean it is going to happen that way...but such a plan is not an indication of whether you can staff or not...we do know the other express carriers can't cover their flying since AWAC has been asked constantly to pick up extra flying going on a year now.

I thought the 200, 700 and 900 were the same Type rating. The pilots at PSA can bid 200 flying, 700 or 900 and it makes no difference. And they are flying them at a much reduced rate compared to AWAC and AAG keeps all the profit. To me that makes way more sense to keep the 200's at PSA especially if they can easily staff them.
Again I'm not an Airline Executive so I'm not sure how things actually work.
Parkers main plan is to try and operate 3 WO'ed airlines each one having close to 100 planes. We'll see how that works out.


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