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disillusioned 05-04-2015 01:49 PM


Originally Posted by Name User (Post 1873618)
She said including bonuses.

It's not about the pay. Commuter pilots want upward movement over pay. PSA is filling classes, XJT is not.

The part I was talking about was 1:46 in the video. She said she has one airline that pays more than some majors and didn't make any mention of bonuses.

I agree that most pilots don't care about money at the regional level but you should not be flying passengers when you could make more at McDonalds. Raise first year pay across every regional, it won't break the bank. But you have to take care of all your pilots also. The regional has been sold in the past as a stepping stone, but that is not the case anymore. If it is a stepping stone, guarantee a spot with a major. Don't allow Delta to shop around and get rewarded by finding someone willing to do flying for next to nothing. Or shut down their WO flying or just use them to whipsaw other regionals. It is a broken model and has nothing to do with the hours they are requiring pilots to have.

clearprop 05-04-2015 04:07 PM


Originally Posted by seafeye (Post 1873113)
What people need is a couple of years digging ditches. Learning what it's like to earn a living, working with good and bad bosses. Not sitting in some air conditioned playground that was paid for by mom and dad.

Yes and thank you!

bedrock 05-04-2015 05:21 PM


Originally Posted by disillusioned (Post 1873636)
The part I was talking about was 1:46 in the video. She said she has one airline that pays more than some majors and didn't make any mention of bonuses.

I agree that most pilots don't care about money at the regional level but you should not be flying passengers when you could make more at McDonalds. Raise first year pay across every regional, it won't break the bank. But you have to take care of all your pilots also. The regional has been sold in the past as a stepping stone, but that is not the case anymore. If it is a stepping stone, guarantee a spot with a major. Don't allow Delta to shop around and get rewarded by finding someone willing to do flying for next to nothing. Or shut down their WO flying or just use them to whipsaw other regionals. It is a broken model and has nothing to do with the hours they are requiring pilots to have.


ALPA really is useless, why aren't they suing Delta for anti-competitive practices for using Endeavor as a means to force suppliers into price cuts for Delta's benefit. Delta bailed Bendeavor out just to use them as ringer in this game.

CBreezy 05-04-2015 05:30 PM


Originally Posted by bedrock (Post 1873738)
ALPA really is useless, why aren't they suing Delta for anti-competitive practices for using Endeavor as a means to force suppliers into price cuts for Delta's benefit. Delta bailed Bendeavor out just to use them as ringer in this game.

Because bankruptcy court in this country is a joke.

Avroman 05-04-2015 06:45 PM


Originally Posted by Name User (Post 1873618)
She said including bonuses.

It's not about the pay. Commuter pilots want upward movement over pay. PSA is filling classes, XJT is not.

Not quite.... It IS about the pay, the problem at the "commuter" I.E. regionals is, the only ones who can pay their bills are the captains (or some topped out FO's with well to do spouses) So in that case, it becomes all about the upward movement to a captain seat..... Look at the majors and how many more senior FO's that COULD hold captain that don't because of the schedule. They CAN AFFORD to support a family on FO pay and don't have a complex requiring the 4th stripe. So they take the schedule over a little more money and a title.

CaptUnderhill 05-04-2015 08:58 PM

Malarkey is slang for bullsh**, isn't it?

Flying Ninja 05-05-2015 05:37 AM

These hearings are way too short to address all the intricacies of the regional airline pilot career challenge as well as the "broken economic model". I see Roger Cohen trained his mutt Malarkey to bark and sit on command. She spewed junk out of her mug during that entire hearing. I'm glad to see that the panel didn't buy into her crap. And AOPA's Baker was a real waste of time. He accomplished nothing for GA.

clearprop 05-05-2015 05:23 PM


Originally Posted by mpet (Post 1874485)
She's easier to look at though.

I'm sorry, but was anyone else thinking MILF?

Flying Ninja 05-05-2015 05:27 PM


Originally Posted by clearprop (Post 1874491)
I'm sorry, but was anyone else thinking MILF?

The only ones she'll be F-ing are the pilots.


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