RAA is trying very hard to rescind ATP rule
05-04-2015 | 04:07 PM
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05-04-2015 | 05:21 PM
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The part I was talking about was 1:46 in the video. She said she has one airline that pays more than some majors and didn't make any mention of bonuses.
I agree that most pilots don't care about money at the regional level but you should not be flying passengers when you could make more at McDonalds. Raise first year pay across every regional, it won't break the bank. But you have to take care of all your pilots also. The regional has been sold in the past as a stepping stone, but that is not the case anymore. If it is a stepping stone, guarantee a spot with a major. Don't allow Delta to shop around and get rewarded by finding someone willing to do flying for next to nothing. Or shut down their WO flying or just use them to whipsaw other regionals. It is a broken model and has nothing to do with the hours they are requiring pilots to have.
I agree that most pilots don't care about money at the regional level but you should not be flying passengers when you could make more at McDonalds. Raise first year pay across every regional, it won't break the bank. But you have to take care of all your pilots also. The regional has been sold in the past as a stepping stone, but that is not the case anymore. If it is a stepping stone, guarantee a spot with a major. Don't allow Delta to shop around and get rewarded by finding someone willing to do flying for next to nothing. Or shut down their WO flying or just use them to whipsaw other regionals. It is a broken model and has nothing to do with the hours they are requiring pilots to have.
ALPA really is useless, why aren't they suing Delta for anti-competitive practices for using Endeavor as a means to force suppliers into price cuts for Delta's benefit. Delta bailed Bendeavor out just to use them as ringer in this game.
05-04-2015 | 05:30 PM
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Because bankruptcy court in this country is a joke.
05-04-2015 | 06:45 PM
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Not quite.... It IS about the pay, the problem at the "commuter" I.E. regionals is, the only ones who can pay their bills are the captains (or some topped out FO's with well to do spouses) So in that case, it becomes all about the upward movement to a captain seat..... Look at the majors and how many more senior FO's that COULD hold captain that don't because of the schedule. They CAN AFFORD to support a family on FO pay and don't have a complex requiring the 4th stripe. So they take the schedule over a little more money and a title.
05-05-2015 | 05:37 AM
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These hearings are way too short to address all the intricacies of the regional airline pilot career challenge as well as the "broken economic model". I see Roger Cohen trained his mutt Malarkey to bark and sit on command. She spewed junk out of her mug during that entire hearing. I'm glad to see that the panel didn't buy into her crap. And AOPA's Baker was a real waste of time. He accomplished nothing for GA.
05-09-2015 | 08:02 AM
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Regional air carriers try to weaken rules for pilots
Industry effort is resisted by Sen. Schumer, Capt. Sullenberger
April 28, 2015
Regional airline carriers stepped up their efforts Tuesday for Congress to make “adjustments” and “refine” pilot training rules enacted in the aftermath of the fatal crash in 2009 of Continental Connection Flight 3407 in Clarence Center.
In remarks prepared for testimony to the U.S. Senate aviation subcommittee in Washington, the interim president of the Regional Airline Association said the 1,500 hours of flight time required to earn an airline pilot transport license has had “unintended consequences” both on the quality and quantity of new pilots applying to regional carriers.
Faye Malarkey Black testified that airlines are seeing fewer qualified pilots applying for jobs because, in part, they have spent too much “unstructured” time trying to rush to attain the 1,500 hours. She said the requirement “favors candidates who have amassed 1,500 hours over candidates who have undertaken academic pathways through tier piloting career but not amassed the 1,500 hours.”
But Sen. Charles E. Schumer said that it is “troubling that the regional airlines continue to try to weaken the critical new safety rules” that were adopted following Feb. 12, 2009, crash that killed 50 people. Schumer said he will work with Congress to “flatly reject” the carriers’s push to get what he said would be a two-tiered pilot training system, for major carriers and the smaller airlines.
Schumer was joined in a pushback against the industry effort by Chesley B. “Sully” Sullenberger III, pilot of the USAirways “Miracle on the Hudson” crash-landing that saved 155 lives in January 2009. Sullenberger accused the regional carriers of twisting facts and making false claims about pilot shortages while taking financial shortcuts that could threaten the flying public.
Sullenberger, in testimony to the Senate panel, called on Congress to leave the pilot training rules untouched. “Public safety absolutely demands it,” he said.
Following the Flight 3407 crash, blamed on pilot error, Congress enacted a series of new training and certification requirements, including that newly hired pilots have a minimum of 1,500 hours of flight experience.
With the Federal Aviation Administration up for reauthorization this year, safety advocates, including family members of victims of Flight 3407, have worried the air transport industry would use that process to weaken the Airline Safety and Federal Aviation Administration Extension Act of 2010.
The regional airline trade group Tuesday told an aviation subcommittee of the Senate Commerce, Science and Transportation Committee about a litany of problems created by the 1,500 hours flight experience rule. Black, the group’s president, used the term “unintended” consequences to describe the rule’s effects at least 16 times in 17 pages of written testimony submitted to the committee. Regional airlines today account for 46 percent of the nation’s passenger flights, and Black said the industry has a “deep concern” about the 1,500-hour requirement.
The head of the trade group said prospective pilots now graduate from college and, instead of going into airline training programs before flying with passengers onboard, must spend one or two years in various noncommercial airline jobs trying to build up the hours. Black, the group’s interim president, noted that some take such jobs as crop-dusters, which do not provide “for the development of skills relevant to a commercial airline pilot.”
Sullenberger called the industry’s concerns “spin.” He said that more pilots would be entering the system if the industry paid better, noting the $16,400 salary of the primary pilot of Flight 3407.
As for the industry’s push to amend the experience rules, he said, “They could not be more wrong. There are no shortcuts to experience. There is no shortcut to safety. The standards are the standards because they are necessary.”
Sullenberger said the stronger rules for pilots would not be in place without the lobbying effort by the Flight 3407 families.
“Every member of the flying public owes them a debt of gratitude,” he said.
But he sounded warnings about the stepped-up efforts to weaken the rules. “With the immediacy of that 2009 tragedy having passed, they are also appealing to new members of Congress and staffers who might not remember the Buffalo crash,” Sullenberger told lawmakers. “Putting self-interest over public safety, they are trying to gain your support in rolling back the essential progress that has been made for airline safety.”
Sulllenberger called the industry’s claims about the impact of the 1,500-hour requirements are “preposterous.”
He said the rules make it more likely that future airline pilots will earn a range of experience, such as flying in weather in different seasons, before applying to become a commercial pilots.
Regional air carriers try to weaken rules for pilots - City & Region - The Buffalo News
Industry effort is resisted by Sen. Schumer, Capt. Sullenberger
April 28, 2015
Regional airline carriers stepped up their efforts Tuesday for Congress to make “adjustments” and “refine” pilot training rules enacted in the aftermath of the fatal crash in 2009 of Continental Connection Flight 3407 in Clarence Center.
In remarks prepared for testimony to the U.S. Senate aviation subcommittee in Washington, the interim president of the Regional Airline Association said the 1,500 hours of flight time required to earn an airline pilot transport license has had “unintended consequences” both on the quality and quantity of new pilots applying to regional carriers.
Faye Malarkey Black testified that airlines are seeing fewer qualified pilots applying for jobs because, in part, they have spent too much “unstructured” time trying to rush to attain the 1,500 hours. She said the requirement “favors candidates who have amassed 1,500 hours over candidates who have undertaken academic pathways through tier piloting career but not amassed the 1,500 hours.”
But Sen. Charles E. Schumer said that it is “troubling that the regional airlines continue to try to weaken the critical new safety rules” that were adopted following Feb. 12, 2009, crash that killed 50 people. Schumer said he will work with Congress to “flatly reject” the carriers’s push to get what he said would be a two-tiered pilot training system, for major carriers and the smaller airlines.
Schumer was joined in a pushback against the industry effort by Chesley B. “Sully” Sullenberger III, pilot of the USAirways “Miracle on the Hudson” crash-landing that saved 155 lives in January 2009. Sullenberger accused the regional carriers of twisting facts and making false claims about pilot shortages while taking financial shortcuts that could threaten the flying public.
Sullenberger, in testimony to the Senate panel, called on Congress to leave the pilot training rules untouched. “Public safety absolutely demands it,” he said.
Following the Flight 3407 crash, blamed on pilot error, Congress enacted a series of new training and certification requirements, including that newly hired pilots have a minimum of 1,500 hours of flight experience.
With the Federal Aviation Administration up for reauthorization this year, safety advocates, including family members of victims of Flight 3407, have worried the air transport industry would use that process to weaken the Airline Safety and Federal Aviation Administration Extension Act of 2010.
The regional airline trade group Tuesday told an aviation subcommittee of the Senate Commerce, Science and Transportation Committee about a litany of problems created by the 1,500 hours flight experience rule. Black, the group’s president, used the term “unintended” consequences to describe the rule’s effects at least 16 times in 17 pages of written testimony submitted to the committee. Regional airlines today account for 46 percent of the nation’s passenger flights, and Black said the industry has a “deep concern” about the 1,500-hour requirement.
The head of the trade group said prospective pilots now graduate from college and, instead of going into airline training programs before flying with passengers onboard, must spend one or two years in various noncommercial airline jobs trying to build up the hours. Black, the group’s interim president, noted that some take such jobs as crop-dusters, which do not provide “for the development of skills relevant to a commercial airline pilot.”
Sullenberger called the industry’s concerns “spin.” He said that more pilots would be entering the system if the industry paid better, noting the $16,400 salary of the primary pilot of Flight 3407.
As for the industry’s push to amend the experience rules, he said, “They could not be more wrong. There are no shortcuts to experience. There is no shortcut to safety. The standards are the standards because they are necessary.”
Sullenberger said the stronger rules for pilots would not be in place without the lobbying effort by the Flight 3407 families.
“Every member of the flying public owes them a debt of gratitude,” he said.
But he sounded warnings about the stepped-up efforts to weaken the rules. “With the immediacy of that 2009 tragedy having passed, they are also appealing to new members of Congress and staffers who might not remember the Buffalo crash,” Sullenberger told lawmakers. “Putting self-interest over public safety, they are trying to gain your support in rolling back the essential progress that has been made for airline safety.”
Sulllenberger called the industry’s claims about the impact of the 1,500-hour requirements are “preposterous.”
He said the rules make it more likely that future airline pilots will earn a range of experience, such as flying in weather in different seasons, before applying to become a commercial pilots.
Regional air carriers try to weaken rules for pilots - City & Region - The Buffalo News
05-19-2015 | 09:53 AM
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At the end of the video, they ask if the first year wage is really $22,000-$24,000 and Ms. Black said she didn't know for sure. But then she says that one of her airlines has a higher first year wage than some of the majors? I did a search of the airline that belong to the RAA and this is the list.
Air Wisconsin Airlines Corp., AirNet Systems Inc., Cape Air, Chautauqua Airlines, CommutAir, Compass Airlines, Empire Airlines, Endeavor Air, Envoy, ExpressJet Airlines, GoJet Airlines, Grand Canyon Airlines/Scenic, Great Lakes Aviation, Hawaii Island Air, Horizon Air, Island Airlines-Nantucket, Jazz Aviation, Mesa Airlines, New England Airlines, Piedmont Airlines, PSA Airlines, RAVN Alaska, Republic Airlines, Seaborne Airlines, Shuttle America, Silver Airways, SkyWest Airlines, Surf Air, Trans States Airlines
I started looking around but couldn't find any airline on this list that paid more than $30 for first year. Is there a major out there that pays less than that for first year? I am thinking of putting together a list of everyone that was part of that committee and seeing if I can find email address or contact info. My thoughts is that we should all send an articulate message that calls out some of the wrong info that Ms. Black was spewing. Let these people know that Republic doesn't have cancellation pay. Let them know that the reason unions don't want to raise first year pay is that because it is not fair to give new hires a 40% raise, while giving the finger to the pilots that have worked and built the airlines they work for. Let them know that SkyWest values their workforce so much, that they want to give them a whole $1-$2 more over the next 4 years.
I just can't believe that Ms. Black could sit there and flat out lie when she was asked point blank questions. I loved it when Sully said that word has gotten out about how crappy it is to work for regionals. I think we need to let them know exactly what they are doing and that they need to improve working conditions and not just lower the hours.
Air Wisconsin Airlines Corp., AirNet Systems Inc., Cape Air, Chautauqua Airlines, CommutAir, Compass Airlines, Empire Airlines, Endeavor Air, Envoy, ExpressJet Airlines, GoJet Airlines, Grand Canyon Airlines/Scenic, Great Lakes Aviation, Hawaii Island Air, Horizon Air, Island Airlines-Nantucket, Jazz Aviation, Mesa Airlines, New England Airlines, Piedmont Airlines, PSA Airlines, RAVN Alaska, Republic Airlines, Seaborne Airlines, Shuttle America, Silver Airways, SkyWest Airlines, Surf Air, Trans States Airlines
I started looking around but couldn't find any airline on this list that paid more than $30 for first year. Is there a major out there that pays less than that for first year? I am thinking of putting together a list of everyone that was part of that committee and seeing if I can find email address or contact info. My thoughts is that we should all send an articulate message that calls out some of the wrong info that Ms. Black was spewing. Let these people know that Republic doesn't have cancellation pay. Let them know that the reason unions don't want to raise first year pay is that because it is not fair to give new hires a 40% raise, while giving the finger to the pilots that have worked and built the airlines they work for. Let them know that SkyWest values their workforce so much, that they want to give them a whole $1-$2 more over the next 4 years.
I just can't believe that Ms. Black could sit there and flat out lie when she was asked point blank questions. I loved it when Sully said that word has gotten out about how crappy it is to work for regionals. I think we need to let them know exactly what they are doing and that they need to improve working conditions and not just lower the hours.
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