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There is no scope relief in the new TA.

That's good news. I thought for sure DAL would go for some kind of scope relief on number of shells.

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Originally Posted by Mesabah (Post 1899851)

There is no scope relief in the new TA.

isn't it 2 100 seaters at delta to add 1 more 76 seater at a FFD

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Originally Posted by pa28dakota (Post 1899827)

What about scope? I do not mean number of seats the regionals fly, but the number of airframes per 50 seat, 70 seat, and 76 seat groups. Rumor had it Delta was going to ask for higher limits on regional aircraft than what is currently in C2012. More planes at regionals also slows the moves to take the flying back to mainline and would further delay us folks here at the regionals even though it would mean growth and upgrades for junior regional pilots. Any news on that part of the TA?

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Originally Posted by Mesabah (Post 1899851)

There is no scope relief in the new TA.

This TA gives up more scope. It allows 25 more 70 seat aircraft at the regionals for parking 50 more 50 seat aircraft. Without the new limit Delta would be parking 25 more 50 seat aircraft anyways, possibly more, due to the regionals inability to staff in the coming years.

Delta management is good at convincing DALPA they win with this provision, when in reality Delta was planning on parking at least 25 more 50 seat aircraft anyways.

It actually allows more, larger efficient aircraft at the regional level than allowed today.

The TA also allows more foreign flying than is currently allowed in the Delta contract. This leads to less mainline jobs due to that as well.

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Originally Posted by tunes (Post 1899869)

isn't it 2 100 seaters at delta to add 1 more 76 seater at a FFD

Delta is ordering 100 seat aircraft regardless. They can't farm that flying out anyways. The main thing Delta was looking to gain was to be able to keep the most outsourced regional flying it can staff. They just upped that number by 25 in this TA.

Without it, the regionals will probably shrink quicker since it would be better for Delta to have 2 less inefficient 50 seat aircraft and 1 more 100 seat aircraft.

The 25 more 70 seat aircraft will lead to about 10-15 less 100 seat aircraft at mainline.

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Originally Posted by Mesabah (Post 1899851)

There is no scope relief in the new TA.

It appears to be 50 less 50 seaters and 25 more 76 seaters. Well it says 25 more 70 or 76 seaters, but we all know they would all be 76 seaters.

The number crunchers claim 5% fewer planes at DCI and 2% fewer seats. But it would allow 25 more 76 seaters than is allowed currently, which considering they can't staff the 50's they have anyway is a double dip relief to the company that upgouges DCI while helping to solve their staffing crisis.

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Originally Posted by Mesabah (Post 1899851)

There is no scope relief in the new TA.

A decent amount of widebody scope will be given away in the TA.

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Originally Posted by pa28dakota (Post 1899827)

It further reduces 50 seaters and allows up to 25 more 76 seaters for adding 50 more E190/Cseries type 100 seat aircraft at mainline.

It also further locks a higher mainline/regional block hour ratio and closed in carve out holes.

Widebody scope is hit and miss- some good (tighter defined compliance and a tighter compliance window), some that needs more explaining (how compliance is measured changed).

Albeit, I am not at DAL, they must remember two very important words: scope creep.

It's only 25 more large RJ's...

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Originally Posted by 404yxl (Post 1899795)

Disparity is incredible, but the Delta pilots aren't really gaining much in this TA when you factor in the profit sharing givebacks and other efficiency givebacks.

The TA actually allows Delta to hire hundreds less, which means hundreds of less jobs for you and me to compete for. Which means longer time at the regionals and less pay over your life. Which might actually turn out as a paycut versus if they say no and keep their current contract and hiring plans.

Not sure where you get this info but the TA is projected to slightly increase manning per block hour. The addition of 50 100 seat aircraft will add additional jobs.

Delta is below the 76 seat number right now by 25 from contract 2012. Dalpa just tied the rest of the deliveries to 100 seat jets. Block hours for jv recaptures the excess capacity, so is a slight scope recapture as well.