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s10an 01-25-2007 04:36 PM

Washout rate in regionals
 
What is an approx. washout rate in the different regionals? (AE,ASA,Comair,X-jet,Skywest.....)

JetJock16 01-25-2007 05:06 PM

SKW has a low wash out rate. I only know of a few (less than 10 out of nearly 600 hired) since June and that's between both a/c. SKW believes that they will train you to proficiency and you will weed yourself out on IOE or Upgrade. SKW interview is one of the hardest in the regional industry consisting of; Sim, Technical, HR, CRM Scenario, ATP & Mechanical Aptitude test. I know it doesn't weed through everyone but it does a good job bringing in bright pilots with good attitudes.

SKW really believes in the right attitude, they will teach you the rest.

rickair7777 01-25-2007 05:46 PM

Typically 5-10% , depending on company and aircraft. In most cases attitude or effort is the problem, for a few it is just lack of ability.

ToiletDuck 01-25-2007 05:58 PM

Dumb question but does anyone pop you in a sim as part of the hiring process?

Airsupport 01-25-2007 06:01 PM


Originally Posted by ToiletDuck (Post 107878)
Dumb question but does anyone pop you in a sim as part of the hiring process?

almost all regionals put you in the sim, ASA even puts you in their full motion crj simulator and have you fly it around. dont worry about it though, one of their guys sits left seat and tells you how to set the plane up, all you have to do is shoot an approach, do a hold, and a couple other things. basic ifr stuff.

bassslayer 01-25-2007 07:12 PM

Comair now has a new program called "Launch". They started this when they lowered the minimums. New hires go through this during the first week. It consists of sim sessions and ends with an evaluation. You need to pass the eval. to continue on with training but it is no big deal. Out of 30+ people who have been through, I believe only 1 person has been sent home. They are just looking to see you are trainable and make improvements during each sim session. Mostly learning all the automation, which apparently has been a trouble area for new hires during the sim training.

G2TT 01-25-2007 07:29 PM


Originally Posted by JetJock16 (Post 107849)
SKW believes that they will train you to proficiency and you will weed yourself out on IOE or Upgrade.

I question the training philosophy that "weeds people out" with paying passengers on board. If you can't do it in the sim during initial up to standards, why would you be able to do it with added real world pressures?

Seatownflyer 01-25-2007 07:33 PM

I imagine the weeding out during IOE has more to do with attitude and dealing with passengers etc... but thats just my guess.

rickair7777 01-25-2007 07:39 PM


Originally Posted by G2TT (Post 107930)
I question the training philosophy that "weeds people out" with paying passengers on board. If you can't do it in the sim during initial up to standards, why would you be able to do it with added real world pressures?

That's not really what they, or any other airline does. The sim teaches certain skills, which you are then evaluated on. It is actually pretty cut-and-dried as to what you have to do...

Line flying is far different from the sim...more ambiguity and changing environments. People who have graduated from the narrow world of the sim need to get some experinence, and be evaluated, in the real world. Some people just can't hack it. Well, most of the ones that fail probably could if given enough time, but the check-airmen are needed for other trainees, so you only get so many hours. If you don't get it by then, you're done.

Sim and IOE are two different processes, and both are necessary.

G2TT 01-25-2007 07:50 PM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 107937)
Line flying is far different from the sim...more ambiguity and changing environments. People who have graduated from the narrow world of the sim need to get some experinence, and be evaluated, in the real world

Sim and IOE are two different processes, and both are necessary.

Line flying IS very different than the sim, I will agree with you on that one. I felt like I was doing something wrong at first on the line because there is so little to do when nothing is failed or on fire. The real deal was a joke after my time in the sim. I'm not saying that there were not challenges or adjustments while doing IOE, I just think the sim is where people at most airlines get bagged, not IOE.


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