Might I suggest the passion & energy expended in this thread by those that don't feel they are appropriately compensated, or are dissapointed with work rules....that it'd be more effectively applied by being involved with the tough hard work that's necessary to improve those points at your current place of employ.
If this offends you, it likely applies to you. I acknowledge it's easier to complain about a problem than to actually be part of a real solution of the problem. |
Originally Posted by BeatNavy
(Post 1950472)
True capitalism doesn't exist when people's experience doesn't go with them from one company to another. This is the only industry where that is the case. Longevity/seniority resets make this not capitalism. I'm way anti-Hillary and friends, but this isn't fast food workers asking for $15 an hour. This is highly trained and experienced aviation professionals (mostly) flying 76 seat jets on the same routes at the same speeds in the same livery as mainline, but made up barriers to entry to the golden jobs prevent capitalism from working and result in these professionals being paid food stamp wages. Our union is supposed to protect us (as a whole profession), but we watched ALPA sell scope and put us in this situation with the proliferation of RJs.
Airlines are under investigation for colluding and fixing ticket prices, which effectively destroys the supply/demand models that true capitalism is supposed to use. The airlines also alter true capitalism with contracted feed. This isn't the way capitalism is supposed to work. It's no different than certain segments of our society depending on democrats for a few extra dollars. But democrats need these voters so they have to keep them down (dependent) otherwise they will no longer be democrats (a reason to exist). Just a crude example. |
Originally Posted by FirstClass
(Post 1950468)
I don't know what it is with some of you people, but this is still the USA where capitalism is our way. Many of you are preaching philosophies that smack of socialism. Hey maybe you are a Hilary voter or from Europe, I don't know, but that's not how things are done here.
. I have news for you. Capitalism in its purest form is just as insidious to our way of life as Communism. It's not all black and white. *Personally, I side with Sanders. |
Originally Posted by chrisreedrules
(Post 1950080)
You do of course realize most lawyers and doctors don't make anywhere close to that much right? And I can tell you that being an airline pilot requires less school, less financial investment, and is less work on an hour-by-hour basis than either of those professions. We are delusional to think that this is something other than a "higher-level" blue collar job. We operate heavy machinery and are members of unions. Everyone should read Flying the Line volumes 1 and 2... Automation is coming in the next decades and all it takes is another financial downturn or major war to happen and we're all out on the street again. This profession will never be "what it was". The truth is I try and discourage people from becoming professional pilots. I enjoy what I do, but this industry isn't that great. And the lifestyle will wear on you after a while. And there is no real hope of making it significantly better for future generations of pilots because time and technology simply aren't on our side.
Well said! |
Originally Posted by Coneydog
(Post 1950102)
You are exactly what's wrong with this profession. What a disgrace.
Please don't try to compare yourself to someone who's gone to a 4-year school, then went to a 4-year medical school, etc. To be an airline pilot, you don't even need a college degree! |
Originally Posted by Ace Hotshot
(Post 1950512)
I have news for you. Capitalism in its purest form is just as insidious to our way of life as Communism.
*Personally, I side with Sanders. LOL. Allow me to quote yourself back to you....
Originally Posted by Ace Hotshot
(Post 1950512)
Yawn. Give me a break |
Originally Posted by Max Glide
(Post 1950550)
Truth hurts...and that's exactly what you're feeling. Instead of debating it intelligently, which you've shown incapability towards, all you can do it to insult someone.
Please don't try to compare yourself to someone who's gone to a 4-year school, then went to a 4-year medical school, etc. To be an airline pilot, you don't even need a college degree! |
Originally Posted by Mesabah
(Post 1950350)
That's the union sales job, but flying isn't going back to mainline. Mainline already owns the flying you speak of. If management had the pilots, they would bring back all the 50 seaters they parked in the desert, since the economics of them changed as fuel cratered recently.
Originally Posted by JoeMerchant
(Post 1950357)
Close, but no cigar. It really started with Randy Babbitt and Eastern. He admits that they screwed up. You are correct about Delta being the first to outsource the "jet" engine, but it started before that with turbo prop aircraft. Mainline pilots were too good to fly "little" turboprops after deregulation. Eastern was the first to sell scope and create "Eastern Metro" to replace mainline to places like MCN, VLD, and CSG. But who cares...after all mainline pilots are too good to fly Beech 99s and Metros.
You are right the DALPA was the first to give up the "jet". They didn't care until the BAE 146s showed up because it kinda looked like a real jet. Egos are very much to blame for this mess...
Originally Posted by JoeMerchant
(Post 1950382)
EXACTLY! They are "living in the past", which is "fostering hate" and "taking us nowhere". As soon as they want to treat everyone the same, then we can move forward...
Or you could get off your a$$ and apply to fly for the airline that controls the code. Novel idea I know. Some of us took the risk and left the comfort of the regional left seat pay check to start all over at the bottom of a mainline carrier.
Originally Posted by Mesabah
(Post 1950432)
Except that management makes the majority of its profits off the backs of regional pilots. The current plan is to try, and get around the 1500 hour requirement with special ATP issues for regional training programs. If that doesn't work, the plan is to over hire at mainline, and furlough them back to the regionals.
The rest of your post has some truth to it, but the truth ends with the "furlough back to the regionals". I can tell you with 100% certainty that at UA we are actively looking at the used market for Airbuses and 737's. As a matter of fact, UA has tabled the 100 seat jet search in favor of more 737-700's and A319's. We are investing $80-$100 mill at DENTK for pilot training. We are hiring 100+ per month. |
Originally Posted by Max Glide
(Post 1950548)
"Anyone can become a pilot; not anyone can become a doctor or a lawyer or an engineer. Or a Mathematician.
Well said! |
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