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Mesabah 08-16-2015 05:10 PM


Originally Posted by Max Glide (Post 1950550)
Truth hurts...and that's exactly what you're feeling. Instead of debating it intelligently, which you've shown incapability towards, all you can do it to insult someone.

Please don't try to compare yourself to someone who's gone to a 4-year school, then went to a 4-year medical school, etc.

To be an airline pilot, you don't even need a college degree!

Does Bill Gates have a college degree? Nope. Does a doctor's education have anything to do with his/her pay? No again. Pay is based solely on what you can negotiate from your company or customers.

Mesabah 08-16-2015 05:20 PM


Originally Posted by 24/48 (Post 1950559)
No I see the data every month as it pertains to UAL, and yes block hours at UAX are decreasing with mainline flying routes it hasn't flown in quite some time. 50 seaters are being parked because they are running out of bodies to fly them, and manufacturers have all but closed up the production lines. A lot of these 50 seaters are maxing out on cycles so it makes sense to park them. Bombardier is focusing on the CS line, and Embraer is focusing on it's Ejet line. Combine the stricter airframe limits, stricter block hour limits, and fewer applicants (just got my "Hey come and work at Skywest" info packet in the mail) at the regionals and you'll continue to see block hours return to mainline.



Ok Joe, there was one step made by EAL before DAL caved.:rolleyes:



Interesting since I found the RJDC and it's named plaintiff's were "fostering hate" and "taking us nowhere". Aside from DL, and UA just outsourcing everything to the regionals and giving you guys "carte blanche" on our flying, how are you not being treated the same? As I see it, we all pay 1.95% to ALPA and it gets distributed as needed so I would argue that regional pilots get much more "bang for their buck" then the mainline pilots. Now, you can continue to hold on to the belief that ALPA holds some magic wand and that someday you'll simply be given a mainline number but that we evil mainline pilots despise you regional pilots and won't let Nat'l wield it.:rolleyes:

Or you could get off your a$$ and apply to fly for the airline that controls the code. Novel idea I know. Some of us took the risk and left the comfort of the regional left seat pay check to start all over at the bottom of a mainline carrier.



YHGTBFSM! We make our profits on the international flying along with our business travelers. 737's, Airbuses, and RJ's help move those travelers to the international flights.

The rest of your post has some truth to it, but the truth ends with the "furlough back to the regionals". I can tell you with 100% certainty that at UA we are actively looking at the used market for Airbuses and 737's. As a matter of fact, UA has tabled the 100 seat jet search in favor of more 737-700's and A319's. We are investing $80-$100 mill at DENTK for pilot training. We are hiring 100+ per month.

Let's look at UAL's latest financial statement, which was signed under penalty of perjury.

Total operating income(profits): $2.168 billion
of that, regional portion(profits): $2.044 billion

That is straight out of the last UAL sec filing 10Q.
UAL SEC Filings | United Continental Holdings Stock - Yahoo! Finance

poor pilot 08-16-2015 05:34 PM


Originally Posted by A330Pilot (Post 1950437)
Pilots all across the board walk off the job and see how much damage that does....Managements will be on their knees in no time... :)

This is the only solution if everyone at a RJ job took a little unscheduled time off between thanksgiving and christmas the problem would be fixed by new years. 50% of domestic flying is Rj's The united states wouldnt move and all of sudden the value of the service regional pilots/airlines provide would be appreciated. There not enough 73's or 190's to do what rjs do period. Alpa droped the ball the only thing they should have beeen doing since the 2008 election was getting pilots out of the RLA. The union is toothless and so are pilots.

chrisreedrules 08-16-2015 05:46 PM


Originally Posted by Fegelein (Post 1950614)
Says the probie PSA pilot who by taking the job, stabbed his fellow regional pilots in the back.

Suuurreeee buddy. I don't see any other airlines offering as easy a commute and as least amount of time on reserve as PSA. I have a family to look after just like you. And I put my family before my "fellow regional pilots" (who by the way never seem to have anything but kind words when we give them rides home). They are what is most important to me (just like I'm sure yours is to you) and I will look out for them and do what's best for us as a whole. Will you be sending me checks or putting food on my table if I am furloughed and looking for work? I didn't think so.

chrisreedrules 08-16-2015 06:10 PM


Originally Posted by Fegelein (Post 1950643)
You have the exact same "me first" attitude that a scab does. The Derg will not be happy.

You don't know me or anything about me. I'll never be a scab. If we ever meet outside of a public forum I may just surprise you with my views on manage by vs labor. I do have self respect. I'm also a realist and I simply don't agree that working for PSA is "bringing down the regional industry". This industry is engineered to be the that it is for a reason. Nothing you or I will ever do is going to change that.

Coneydog 08-16-2015 06:21 PM


Originally Posted by Fegelein (Post 1950614)
Says the probie PSA pilot who by taking the job, stabbed his fellow regional pilots in the back.

Are you at liberty to say who you work for Fegelein? Just curious

Bootleg 08-16-2015 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Mesabah (Post 1950612)
Let's look at UAL's latest financial statement, which was signed under penalty of perjury.

Total operating income(profits): $2.168 billion
of that, regional portion(profits): $2.044 billion

That is straight out of the last UAL sec filing 10Q.
UAL SEC Filings | United Continental Holdings Stock - Yahoo! Finance




Uh, I believe that's checkmate right there.



Well played sir.

SayAlt 08-16-2015 06:48 PM


Originally Posted by chrisreedrules (Post 1950634)

I put myself before my "fellow regional pilots"

Mgmt cockroaches count on that "me first" attitude that pits pilots against one another. Way to go!

With folks like you infesting cockpits, what good is a union? Sadly you certainly aren't alone. In fact, you're just the kind of guy to get elected into a union leadership position in order to sell out the pilot group in exchange for a cushy company job. Happens all too often these days. Your kind of person is a huge part of why this profession has gone into the chitter.

May your career (and those like you) wind up resembling the bug that hits the windshield on final. Karma is a real biotch!

PS - Please don't whine about you saying "my family" and not "myself". It's really lame to try to try and use your family to cover for your personal selfishness. In fact, it's outright douche-baggery.


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