$100,000 Minimum Regional First Officer
08-15-2015, 03:14 PM
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$100,000 Minimum Regional First Officer
I started at a regional and am now in my 30th year as a Delta pilot. (Former Northwest)
To some, I'm sure it sounds crazy that the minimum starting salary for a first officer in a 50 seat jet needs to be $100,000 and $160,000 for a first year captain.
Open your mind and embrace the value of your education, training and experience.
THE MYTH
The regionals can't afford to pay those wages.
Imagine jet fuel goes to $4.00 a gallon. Your management says to the supplier, "we cannot afford $4.00 per gallon, you will have to accept $2.00 per gallon."
Do you think this would fly?
The supply of pilots was so strong that management got used to paying us little to nothing.
THE PARTY IS OVER
LIABILITY
If a $750,000 per year surgeon accidentally kills a patient, what is the liability?
If the pilots of a 50 seat jet make a mistake and kill 53 passengers and crew, what it the liability? Why is the cost?
Tens, if not hundreds of millions.
I ask you, what other job has this kind of responsibility? This kind of pressure?
What does your CEO make?
If he makes a mistake, he could get a paper cut and possibly an infection.
Management makes excellent money to run the airline. To cope with $4.00 jet fuel. To cope with paying professional pilots what they are worth.
THIS IS NOT YOUR PROBLEM
Buying into management's story that they cannot afford to pay you what you are worth is nonsense. The legacy carriers need the feed and will pay for it. They are printing money.
One penny less than these numbers must be a no vote.
Every word from your management's mouth is pure manipulation.
PILOTS COST WHAT PILOTS COST
LANDING FEES COST WHAT LANDING FEES COST
SPARE PARTS COST WHAT SPARE PARTS COST
If you hold your ground, there are two possible outcomes.
1) they will agree to these wages
2) they will move all the flying to mainline
Legacy management cannot have hundreds of cancelled flights every day due to lack of pilots.
You have all the leverage you need and more.
Take a stand and restore the profession forever.
Jerry Fielding
To some, I'm sure it sounds crazy that the minimum starting salary for a first officer in a 50 seat jet needs to be $100,000 and $160,000 for a first year captain.
Open your mind and embrace the value of your education, training and experience.
THE MYTH
The regionals can't afford to pay those wages.
Imagine jet fuel goes to $4.00 a gallon. Your management says to the supplier, "we cannot afford $4.00 per gallon, you will have to accept $2.00 per gallon."
Do you think this would fly?
The supply of pilots was so strong that management got used to paying us little to nothing.
THE PARTY IS OVER
LIABILITY
If a $750,000 per year surgeon accidentally kills a patient, what is the liability?
If the pilots of a 50 seat jet make a mistake and kill 53 passengers and crew, what it the liability? Why is the cost?
Tens, if not hundreds of millions.
I ask you, what other job has this kind of responsibility? This kind of pressure?
What does your CEO make?
If he makes a mistake, he could get a paper cut and possibly an infection.
Management makes excellent money to run the airline. To cope with $4.00 jet fuel. To cope with paying professional pilots what they are worth.
THIS IS NOT YOUR PROBLEM
Buying into management's story that they cannot afford to pay you what you are worth is nonsense. The legacy carriers need the feed and will pay for it. They are printing money.
One penny less than these numbers must be a no vote.
Every word from your management's mouth is pure manipulation.
PILOTS COST WHAT PILOTS COST
LANDING FEES COST WHAT LANDING FEES COST
SPARE PARTS COST WHAT SPARE PARTS COST
If you hold your ground, there are two possible outcomes.
1) they will agree to these wages
2) they will move all the flying to mainline
Legacy management cannot have hundreds of cancelled flights every day due to lack of pilots.
You have all the leverage you need and more.
Take a stand and restore the profession forever.
Jerry Fielding
Last edited by gzsg; 08-15-2015 at 03:28 PM.
08-15-2015, 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by gzsg
I started at a regional and am now in my 30th year as a Delta pilot. (Former Northwest)
To some, I'm sure it sounds crazy that the minimum starting salary for a first officer in a 50 seat jet needs to be $100,000 and $160,000 for a first year captain.
Open your mind and embrace the value of your education, training and experience.
THE MYTH
The regionals can't afford to pay those wages.
Imagine jet fuel goes to $4.00 a gallon. Your management says to the supplier, "we cannot afford $4.00 per gallon, you will have to accept $2.00 per gallon."
Do you think this would fly?
The supply of pilots was so strong that management got used to paying us little to nothing.
THE PARTY IS OVER
LIABILITY
If a $750,000 per year surgeon accidentally kills a patient, what is the liability?
If the pilots of a 50 seat jet make a mistake and kill 53 passengers and crew, what it the liability? Why is the cost?
Tens, if not hundreds of millions.
I ask you, what other job has this kind of responsibility? This kind of pressure?
What does your CEO make?
If he makes a mistake, he could get a paper cut and possibly an infection.
Management makes excellent money to run the airline. To cope with $4.00 jet fuel. To cope with paying professional pilots what they are worth.
THIS IS NOT YOUR PROBLEM
Buying into management's story that they cannot afford to pay you what you are worth is nonsense. The legacy carriers need the feed and will pay for it. They are printing money.
One penny less than these numbers must be a no vote.
Every word from your management's mouth is pure manipulation.
PILOTS COST WHAT PILOTS COST
LANDING FEES COST WHAT LANDING FEES COST
SPARE PARTS COST WHAT SPARE PARTS COST
Take a stand and restore the profession forever.
Jerry Fielding
To some, I'm sure it sounds crazy that the minimum starting salary for a first officer in a 50 seat jet needs to be $100,000 and $160,000 for a first year captain.
Open your mind and embrace the value of your education, training and experience.
THE MYTH
The regionals can't afford to pay those wages.
Imagine jet fuel goes to $4.00 a gallon. Your management says to the supplier, "we cannot afford $4.00 per gallon, you will have to accept $2.00 per gallon."
Do you think this would fly?
The supply of pilots was so strong that management got used to paying us little to nothing.
THE PARTY IS OVER
LIABILITY
If a $750,000 per year surgeon accidentally kills a patient, what is the liability?
If the pilots of a 50 seat jet make a mistake and kill 53 passengers and crew, what it the liability? Why is the cost?
Tens, if not hundreds of millions.
I ask you, what other job has this kind of responsibility? This kind of pressure?
What does your CEO make?
If he makes a mistake, he could get a paper cut and possibly an infection.
Management makes excellent money to run the airline. To cope with $4.00 jet fuel. To cope with paying professional pilots what they are worth.
THIS IS NOT YOUR PROBLEM
Buying into management's story that they cannot afford to pay you what you are worth is nonsense. The legacy carriers need the feed and will pay for it. They are printing money.
One penny less than these numbers must be a no vote.
Every word from your management's mouth is pure manipulation.
PILOTS COST WHAT PILOTS COST
LANDING FEES COST WHAT LANDING FEES COST
SPARE PARTS COST WHAT SPARE PARTS COST
Take a stand and restore the profession forever.
Jerry Fielding
08-15-2015, 03:21 PM
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When mainline raises first year FO pay to 150,000 then maybe we can expect to see first year regional pay go up...
But in all seriousness, never going to happen. There is no shortage of pilots. And there certainly isn't any unity. If regional pilots want to see better wages, better get a new union with the interests of REGIONAL pilots first and foremost on it's agenda.
But in all seriousness, never going to happen. There is no shortage of pilots. And there certainly isn't any unity. If regional pilots want to see better wages, better get a new union with the interests of REGIONAL pilots first and foremost on it's agenda.
08-15-2015, 03:22 PM
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Pilots are their own worst enemies... People will stab each other in the back at this level to get to a mainline faster than the next guy rather than fight to make the place where there at a place worth being. I refuse to be a part of that problem (short of quitting my job...), but I'm only one person. The airline pilots in industry lack unity. Sad but true.
08-15-2015, 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by gzsg
I started at a regional and am now in my 30th year as a Delta pilot. (Former Northwest)
To some, I'm sure it sounds crazy that the minimum starting salary for a first officer in a 50 seat jet needs to be $100,000 and $160,000 for a first year captain.
Open your mind and embrace the value of your education, training and experience.
THE MYTH
The regionals can't afford to pay those wages.
Imagine jet fuel goes to $4.00 a gallon. Your management says to the supplier, "we cannot afford $4.00 per gallon, you will have to accept $2.00 per gallon."
Do you think this would fly?
The supply of pilots was so strong that management got used to paying us little to nothing.
THE PARTY IS OVER
LIABILITY
If a $750,000 per year surgeon accidentally kills a patient, what is the liability?
If the pilots of a 50 seat jet make a mistake and kill 53 passengers and crew, what it the liability? Why is the cost?
Tens, if not hundreds of millions.
I ask you, what other job has this kind of responsibility? This kind of pressure?
What does your CEO make?
If he makes a mistake, he could get a paper cut and possibly an infection.
Management makes excellent money to run the airline. To cope with $4.00 jet fuel. To cope with paying professional pilots what they are worth.
THIS IS NOT YOUR PROBLEM
Buying into management's story that they cannot afford to pay you what you are worth is nonsense. The legacy carriers need the feed and will pay for it. They are printing money.
One penny less than these numbers must be a no vote.
Every word from your management's mouth is pure manipulation.
PILOTS COST WHAT PILOTS COST
LANDING FEES COST WHAT LANDING FEES COST
SPARE PARTS COST WHAT SPARE PARTS COST
Take a stand and restore the profession forever.
Jerry Fielding
To some, I'm sure it sounds crazy that the minimum starting salary for a first officer in a 50 seat jet needs to be $100,000 and $160,000 for a first year captain.
Open your mind and embrace the value of your education, training and experience.
THE MYTH
The regionals can't afford to pay those wages.
Imagine jet fuel goes to $4.00 a gallon. Your management says to the supplier, "we cannot afford $4.00 per gallon, you will have to accept $2.00 per gallon."
Do you think this would fly?
The supply of pilots was so strong that management got used to paying us little to nothing.
THE PARTY IS OVER
LIABILITY
If a $750,000 per year surgeon accidentally kills a patient, what is the liability?
If the pilots of a 50 seat jet make a mistake and kill 53 passengers and crew, what it the liability? Why is the cost?
Tens, if not hundreds of millions.
I ask you, what other job has this kind of responsibility? This kind of pressure?
What does your CEO make?
If he makes a mistake, he could get a paper cut and possibly an infection.
Management makes excellent money to run the airline. To cope with $4.00 jet fuel. To cope with paying professional pilots what they are worth.
THIS IS NOT YOUR PROBLEM
Buying into management's story that they cannot afford to pay you what you are worth is nonsense. The legacy carriers need the feed and will pay for it. They are printing money.
One penny less than these numbers must be a no vote.
Every word from your management's mouth is pure manipulation.
PILOTS COST WHAT PILOTS COST
LANDING FEES COST WHAT LANDING FEES COST
SPARE PARTS COST WHAT SPARE PARTS COST
Take a stand and restore the profession forever.
Jerry Fielding
Ps. If you really want to look out for regional pilots you should let me get a delta rec.
08-15-2015, 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted by chrisreedrules
When mainline raises first year FO pay to 150,000 then maybe we can expect to see first year regional pay go up...
But in all seriousness, never going to happen. There is no shortage of pilots. And there certainly isn't any unity. If regional pilots want to see better wages, better get a new union with the interests of REGIONAL pilots first and foremost on it's agenda.
But in all seriousness, never going to happen. There is no shortage of pilots. And there certainly isn't any unity. If regional pilots want to see better wages, better get a new union with the interests of REGIONAL pilots first and foremost on it's agenda.
In my opinion, Moak and now Canoll, would let you work for all the Oreo's you can eat.
They are puppets for management.
It needs to be a grassroots movement.
Solving their problem is a huge mistake. All your leverage will disappear.
08-15-2015, 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by gzsg
I can't argue with that. ALPA has failed the regionals 100%.
In my opinion, Moak and now Canoll, would let you work for all the Oreo's you can eat.
They are puppets for management.
It needs to be a grassroots movement.
Solving their problem is a huge mistake. All your leverage will disappear.
In my opinion, Moak and now Canoll, would let you work for all the Oreo's you can eat.
They are puppets for management.
It needs to be a grassroots movement.
Solving their problem is a huge mistake. All your leverage will disappear.
Alpo has not only failed the regionals--look what they tried to sell to the Delta pilots. I applaud the Delta guys. They sacked up and took a stand. Now they really have a chance to do something good for this sad profession. And everyone is watching.
Great post btw I completely agree with everything he said.
Best thing that could ever happen is for all the flying to return to mainline.
08-15-2015, 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by MrERJ
I really think this is spot on. Great post. However, I do not believe the pilot group is United enough to ever pull off such a feat. If pay were raised to as little as 50,000/year for first year people will start to become complacent with that. Not that people aren't complacent as it is.
Ps. If you really want to look out for regional pilots you should let me get a delta rec.
Ps. If you really want to look out for regional pilots you should let me get a delta rec.
Hahahahaha. I see what you did there!! this young man has it together.
08-15-2015, 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by CloudShredder
Pilots are their own worst enemies... rather than fight to make the place where there at a place worth being.
08-15-2015, 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Bootleg
Alpo has not only failed the regionals--look what they tried to sell to the Delta pilots. I applaud the Delta guys. They sacked up and took a stand. Now they really have a chance to do something good for this sad profession. And everyone is watching.
Great post btw I completely agree with everything he said.
Best thing that could ever happen is for all the flying to return to mainline.
Great post btw I completely agree with everything he said.
Best thing that could ever happen is for all the flying to return to mainline.
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