$100,000 Minimum Regional First Officer
08-16-2015 | 01:15 AM
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I come to work every day with a professional attitude and I take my responsibility seriously. And yet I'm what's wrong with the profession. Would you recommend being a pilot to your kids? To your best friend's kids? and as I said before, nothing changes the fact that time and technology are not on our side.
08-16-2015 | 01:20 AM
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I never chased an upgrade you weirdo. Just because I'm at PSA doesn't mean I'm here for the quick upgrade. I don't even know that I will take the first upgrade opportunity I get here. And at the expense of Envoy pilots? Give me a break. This again? We didn't ask for your 700s and you can keep them as far as I'm concerned. I don't even see how ANY regional airline is going to be able to staff current flying in the next 3 years so honestly it's a moot point as far as I'm concerned.
08-16-2015 | 03:54 AM
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08-16-2015 | 04:23 AM
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I'm glad you were not in charge for the revolution.
You would be posting that British rule is bad, but what can we do? We will never win.
Or these new automobiles will never replace horses.
08-16-2015 | 04:40 AM
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Unless you have your own practice you will NOT make anywhere close to $750,000 as a surgeon. Urology surgeon is one of the highest and they make roughly $500,000. If you have your own practice you can very well make above $750,000. Having your own practice = paying your own liability insurance which isn't cheap. As an 8 + year regional pilot I would love to make $200,000 but ita not realistic and will never happen. I do agree that the pay needs to be much higher especially first year FO. I think $55,000-$65,000 first year FO pay and $100,000 for first year captain would be a good start.
08-16-2015 | 04:47 AM
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The pay gap between mainline, and the regionals has widened over the last years so far, that regional pay could more than triple, and still be cost effective for management. Mainline pay is about 4% of revenue, regional pay is less than 1%, historically pilot pay has been 10%-15% of revenue.
08-16-2015 | 04:56 AM
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I started at a regional and am now in my 30th year as a Delta pilot. (Former Northwest)
To some, I'm sure it sounds crazy that the minimum starting salary for a first officer in a 50 seat jet needs to be $100,000 and $160,000 for a first year captain.
Open your mind and embrace the value of your education, training and experience.
THE MYTH
The regionals can't afford to pay those wages.
Imagine jet fuel goes to $4.00 a gallon. Your management says to the supplier, "we cannot afford $4.00 per gallon, you will have to accept $2.00 per gallon."
Do you think this would fly?
The supply of pilots was so strong that management got used to paying us little to nothing.
THE PARTY IS OVER
LIABILITY
If a $750,000 per year surgeon accidentally kills a patient, what is the liability?
If the pilots of a 50 seat jet make a mistake and kill 53 passengers and crew, what it the liability? Why is the cost?
Tens, if not hundreds of millions.
I ask you, what other job has this kind of responsibility? This kind of pressure?
What does your CEO make?
If he makes a mistake, he could get a paper cut and possibly an infection.
Management makes excellent money to run the airline. To cope with $4.00 jet fuel. To cope with paying professional pilots what they are worth.
THIS IS NOT YOUR PROBLEM
Buying into management's story that they cannot afford to pay you what you are worth is nonsense. The legacy carriers need the feed and will pay for it. They are printing money.
One penny less than these numbers must be a no vote.
Every word from your management's mouth is pure manipulation.
PILOTS COST WHAT PILOTS COST
LANDING FEES COST WHAT LANDING FEES COST
SPARE PARTS COST WHAT SPARE PARTS COST
If you hold your ground, there are two possible outcomes.
1) they will agree to these wages
2) they will move all the flying to mainline
Legacy management cannot have hundreds of cancelled flights every day due to lack of pilots.
You have all the leverage you need and more.
Take a stand and restore the profession forever.
Jerry Fielding
To some, I'm sure it sounds crazy that the minimum starting salary for a first officer in a 50 seat jet needs to be $100,000 and $160,000 for a first year captain.
Open your mind and embrace the value of your education, training and experience.
THE MYTH
The regionals can't afford to pay those wages.
Imagine jet fuel goes to $4.00 a gallon. Your management says to the supplier, "we cannot afford $4.00 per gallon, you will have to accept $2.00 per gallon."
Do you think this would fly?
The supply of pilots was so strong that management got used to paying us little to nothing.
THE PARTY IS OVER
LIABILITY
If a $750,000 per year surgeon accidentally kills a patient, what is the liability?
If the pilots of a 50 seat jet make a mistake and kill 53 passengers and crew, what it the liability? Why is the cost?
Tens, if not hundreds of millions.
I ask you, what other job has this kind of responsibility? This kind of pressure?
What does your CEO make?
If he makes a mistake, he could get a paper cut and possibly an infection.
Management makes excellent money to run the airline. To cope with $4.00 jet fuel. To cope with paying professional pilots what they are worth.
THIS IS NOT YOUR PROBLEM
Buying into management's story that they cannot afford to pay you what you are worth is nonsense. The legacy carriers need the feed and will pay for it. They are printing money.
One penny less than these numbers must be a no vote.
Every word from your management's mouth is pure manipulation.
PILOTS COST WHAT PILOTS COST
LANDING FEES COST WHAT LANDING FEES COST
SPARE PARTS COST WHAT SPARE PARTS COST
If you hold your ground, there are two possible outcomes.
1) they will agree to these wages
2) they will move all the flying to mainline
Legacy management cannot have hundreds of cancelled flights every day due to lack of pilots.
You have all the leverage you need and more.
Take a stand and restore the profession forever.
Jerry Fielding
In the VERY recent past, Majors like USAirways, Continental, United and American paid first year pilots $30,000 or so per year! Now, just like that the Regionals should be able to pay $100 K? The real problem is what the majors are willing to pay their regional affiliates for the feed. The OP acts like labor can just demand this pay without their customers being willing to just fork over more than twice the money they are paying for the feed. I doubt that will happen....
How about this, mainline pilots insist all the flying be done at the majors, bring the regional pilots on and then pay them more.
08-16-2015 | 05:14 AM
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Most FO's at Delta who fly the 717 will clear more than $230,000 in total compensation. With only 30 more seats, and better work rules, the 717 pilots generate only a little more revenue per pilot than the 76 seat jet pilots.
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