AA is the underwriter on them and there are numerous clauses which allow AA to take possession of those aircraft. I can't remember every single clause, but one of them was inability to staff/fulfill flying obligations. Same goes for the E175s out of MIA.

Actually it's a Brasilian bank that "underwrote" them. Not AA.

Why don't you guys post or link a document instead of pulling facts out of your A$$

Why so curious? Wondering if those planes might go to Envoy?

I don't really care honestly. But every spectrum of possibilities from republic owns the planes outright, to bank of Brazil, to aa underwrites the leases has been stated with absolute certainty. Leading me to believe everyone that posts here is full of it.

Envoy can't staff very many more planes anyway, trying to will kill the flow, it's not really a concern of mine.

While the terms of those contracts are generally secret Neal Spanier is on record as saying that he learned that AAG has back stopped the loans for those aircraft. I'm sure that affords AAG certain rights and privileges.

I wonder if someone could use foia to find the real scoop on those planes...

That someone not being lazy 'ol me though.

Do you know how many people we have on RSV in DFW and ORD??? Why are we pulling A/C out of storage and increasing our block hours each month??? I would say that envoy can staff more than you think..

Well, I agree with that. Many people like to speculate and pass it off as fact. Unfortunately that means a lot of misinformation and reading between the lines.

So you have seen the Capacity Purchase Agreement between RAH and AMR? I don't think so! Of course AMR put in some type of quality clause and I'm sure Republic is failing to meet those numbers. At least Republic is trying to hold the line for regionals, even though they will probably lose flyng

http://www.amrcaseinfo.com/pdflib/6339_15463.pdf

while it's not the actual CPA it does have some good info regarding..

That or storage fees and mortgage payments on non-performing assets.

Unreal. Pilots from other regionals licking their chops trying to get at RAH aircraft, while RAH pilots stand fast and hold the line. Just a few short months have passed since Envoy pilots were screaming hatred at PSA for taking your planes and here you are trying to come up with ways to get ahold of ours! You guys make me sick. We are our own worst enemy's, and you are proving why right now.

What do you expect? The only thing you can trust a pilot to do is what's in his or her own best interest. Until we build a union that protects us from our worst enemy (other pilots) then we will all continue to fail.

While I agree that pilots hoping for their own gains from other pilots' hardships and misfortunes is bad, just want to throw out that pilots don't shuffle planes or choose who gets whipsawed, management does. Other than by quitting, we can't just refuse to fly a plane that formerly was flown by another carrier. The only exception is taking a concessionary contract in order to secure more flying at the expense of our brothers and sisters, but that hasn't really happened here.

I think everyone on here wants those 175's sucked straight into mainline. Unfortunately if that is going to happen it's still several years away. Even playing the shuffle game in the short term isn't going to end well as hopefully most Republic guys, especially captains, will get picked up by major carriers and not other regionals.

+1. Word is that eny pilots are waiting on the outcome so that they take MIA back as a satellite base.


Good Luck!

We don't want your planes, we just want OUR planes (flying) back! Look at who took our flying in Miami........ It shouldn't make you sick.

Wow!

Good Luck!

The Teamsters should come back with their own LBFO for Republic, favorable to the pilots. See how they like it. If RAH turns it down, well, you've got the leverage of a potential strike. Just a thought.

Gotta say, and you won't hear me say this often, you won. GG.

I don't know one person who wished for you all to lose MIA or LAX or NYC. Like someone else said we don't make those decisions, but it realy is quite sickening to see fellow pilots wishing the worst on another pilot group. While you don't make the decision you should be ashamed of your wishful thinking of the potential demise of a pilot group so you can "get yours".

It was never YOUR flying. It was mainline. The whole "regional" model is based on mainline flying. Don't forget that.

This bickering over whose flying/airplanes go to who... Sheesh.

Yup, AA gave all those DFW-TYR or ORD-MKE routes from the DC3 to Eagle. That should be a 777 route!

Not all routes were "mainline" routes. Eagle has, and likely will, be used to establish routes that AA never flew. Though, since all Eagle branded flying is on behalf of the brand of AA, it could also be argued that all of this flying is still AA flying.

I do think those claiming "our routes" do have a valid claim of disdain though, since they had been "their routes" for decades.

All regionals steal work from mainline. It is laughable that Envoy guys think that they are innocent in all of this. They are as much of the problem as anyone else.

Nobody is 'stealing' routes from anyone. This so-called 'regional' flying was set up my management and agreed to by labor when they signed contracts with concessionary scope language.

Most routes that are now flown by 'regional' airlines used to be flown by mainline pilots on mainline airplanes but the pilots voted in contracts allowing it to be flown on smaller airplanes, usually in exchange for larger pay scales on larger airplanes.

If mainline pilots want it back, reject any contract proposal that doesn't include a tightening of scope. Hard to put that toothpaste back into the tube though.

Right, they were their routes for decades. Good for them. Maybe if AMR wasn't so cheap they wouldn't have been given to the next lowest bidder.

This whole problem starts and ends with mainline. Regional guys getting mad at each other for the decisions made by people they have no control over is laughable. Stop blaming other regional pilots for this, no one wants to be at a regional in their current form. We all want to be at the next level be it a major, or a regional that can pay a decent wage.

Fight for your worth, mainline needs to cough up the extra dough to fill RJ seats. Flow/preferential interview is crap. I have bills NOW. And that garbage RAH LBFO ain't going to pay them.

No, you are getting bad information. AA is the underwriter and guarantor on those aircraft.

The Bank of Brazil and BNDES (Brazil's federally run development bank) loaned money to Republic to purchase the aircraft in the first place. On that document AA guarantees the payments with a clause that the aircraft comes to them if Republic can't fulfill the flying.

Those are the facts. Take it or leave it.

Show us where you found that and settle it.

This was from an AAG lawyer to our an LEC rep within the past week or two.

Indeed, the lawyer could be telling a lie.

I'm not sure what Spanier said and when he said it, but my info comes from other sources closer to all three parties. Republic does have a buyout clause as sort of a "first option" but with bankruptcy imminent I don't see Bedford being able to afford that kind of cheddar.

Difference between you and I is I am citing my "source."

Care to share your source? Because RJ Pilot has "Sources" and we all know how accurate he is (by no means am I comparing you to him, I am not that soul-less).

Pump the brakes there. I'm agreeing with you. The point is that multiple people with multiple sources have the same information. Thus collaborating the information even further.

Oh, and we all know who RJ Pilot's "source" is:

Eagle Lounge.

So let me get this straight... You are a regional airline pilot at envoy, but have sources inside RAH, AAG and the Brazilian Bank? And you have insider knowledge of the imminent bankruptcy at RAH?? And you also know details of contracts to purchase aircraft at an airline you do not work for? Im sorry but I just can't believe that. Especially considering you are a known envoy cheerleader and the "facts" you claim to know would only benefit envoy. Sorry but unless you can prove what you say with actual facts, your story doesn't add up.

I just was wondering if you would post your source so you dont get the posts that followed.

What else can he do when he downlaods the latest G5 skin to flight sim?

(Also I think the word you are looking for was corroborating. inb4 "stupid autocorrect")

Still haven't responded to my original question yet eh supergenius?? I see you've slinked back over to your envoy thread. Avoiding the tough questions i guess. You are a fraud bud, plain as day you have no idea what you're talking about.

Why would a company lawyer, talk to your rep around your mgmt. If he did, and it's true then he still told your for his/company benfit not yours.

I don't answer to you, "turbintime". I know you are dying to vote in your super saver LBFO, so it's no surprise your panties are in a bunch right now.

This will play out as planned, and you will look like an even bigger idiot. Once the aircraft start to be taken by AA you will have nothing to say.

But watching your had explode by ever greater degrees is absolutely hilarious. Now you think that me and other people owe you answers. That's rich. If you don't believe that AA has a clause to take your precious aircraft, that's your problem. If you don't believe that the Bank of Brazil and BNDES loaned Republic the money with AA as a co-signer, that's your problem.

This will play out on schedule. If Republic can't staff their AA flying-as it's becoming apparent-AA takes those aircraft. Where they go from there is anybody's guess. But go ahead and slip further into denial mode and pound away on your keyboard like a sexually frustrated 15 year old. I suggest you direct your anger at Bryan Bedford rather than support his unethical business practices.

So funny to see Envoy guys on here claiming they're in the know about what happens to RAH planes in the future. Wishful thinking, I guess.

Indeed it is.