Republic Airlines opinion?
01-30-2007 | 05:12 AM
#31
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OMG LOL!
I BET YOU ONE HUNDRED BUCKS that you NEVER EVER said that to ANY Eagle Captain you flew with during your tenure there!
Eagle, more than any other regional airline, has the most career captains.
McDonald wages?
Yes, you worked for McDonald wages too. You worked for Eagle, on the Saab, which besides first year pay, it pays even LOWER than the RJs.
So don't bullsh*t other pilots on what they decide to do career wise.
A 12th year RJ Captain has very high seniority (exception of Eagle in which case you're probably in the middle).
This Captain can rake in close to $100k, and has every single holiday and weekend off (granted, will have to bid reserve occasionally to avoid working a holiday).
But you can imagine... go to work Monday morning, if it's a 3 day trip, back by Wednesday night. 4 day trip, back by Thursday night. Either way, Fri-Sunday always off.
Living in base, and very comfortable with the seniority and even pay... these are the reasons that some RJ captains decide to stay with a regional.
Not everyone wants to fly on the back side of the clock based out of some crappy place like SDF or even worse, ANC (one b*tch of a commute I could imagine)!
Not everyone wants to give up their pay, seniority, and weekends off, to start at $34 /hr at the bottom of the reserve list at UPS.
In fact, my attitude is that when it comes to joining a regional, EVERY PILOT SHOULD JOIN THAT REGIONAL WITH THE ATTITUDE THAT THEY MIGHT END THEIR CAREER AT THAT REGIONAL
Why?
Simple! Because then, you have a HUGE VENTED INTEREST in ensuring the company secures a good pilot CBA. So, you won't have an attitude of a "Well I'm just here to get my time, and then screw this place, I'm outta here!"
... which I bet was your attitude during Eagle.
I BET YOU ONE HUNDRED BUCKS that you NEVER EVER said that to ANY Eagle Captain you flew with during your tenure there!
Eagle, more than any other regional airline, has the most career captains.
McDonald wages?
Yes, you worked for McDonald wages too. You worked for Eagle, on the Saab, which besides first year pay, it pays even LOWER than the RJs.
So don't bullsh*t other pilots on what they decide to do career wise.
A 12th year RJ Captain has very high seniority (exception of Eagle in which case you're probably in the middle).
This Captain can rake in close to $100k, and has every single holiday and weekend off (granted, will have to bid reserve occasionally to avoid working a holiday).
But you can imagine... go to work Monday morning, if it's a 3 day trip, back by Wednesday night. 4 day trip, back by Thursday night. Either way, Fri-Sunday always off.
Living in base, and very comfortable with the seniority and even pay... these are the reasons that some RJ captains decide to stay with a regional.
Not everyone wants to fly on the back side of the clock based out of some crappy place like SDF or even worse, ANC (one b*tch of a commute I could imagine)!
Not everyone wants to give up their pay, seniority, and weekends off, to start at $34 /hr at the bottom of the reserve list at UPS.
In fact, my attitude is that when it comes to joining a regional, EVERY PILOT SHOULD JOIN THAT REGIONAL WITH THE ATTITUDE THAT THEY MIGHT END THEIR CAREER AT THAT REGIONAL
Why?
Simple! Because then, you have a HUGE VENTED INTEREST in ensuring the company secures a good pilot CBA. So, you won't have an attitude of a "Well I'm just here to get my time, and then screw this place, I'm outta here!"
... which I bet was your attitude during Eagle.
01-30-2007 | 05:19 AM
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ya, I did work there(which is why I claim I did) and yes they did indeed have a flow through program. And in a couple of years AMR will draw from the hitler youth again. Go watch 24 and play with your Wii, boyee/
01-30-2007 | 05:24 AM
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You know, I honestly hope you're right about the AE/AA flowthrough...right after the 2000+ AA furloughees are recalled. It would be nice for the hard work of Eagle pilots (of whom I have friends and associates) to be rewarded.
That said, how many Eagle pilots went to AA pre-9/11, and how many flushbacks came to Eagle and took all those captain vacancies?
That said, how many Eagle pilots went to AA pre-9/11, and how many flushbacks came to Eagle and took all those captain vacancies?
01-30-2007 | 05:39 AM
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You know, I honestly hope you're right about the AE/AA flowthrough...right after the 2000+ AA furloughees are recalled. It would be nice for the hard work of Eagle pilots (of whom I have friends and associates) to be rewarded.
That said, how many Eagle pilots went to AA pre-9/11, and how many flushbacks came to Eagle and took all those captain vacancies?
That said, how many Eagle pilots went to AA pre-9/11, and how many flushbacks came to Eagle and took all those captain vacancies?
Approx. 600 AA furloughees took Eagle Captain seats as 'flowbAAcks'
Nice eh?
01-30-2007 | 05:41 AM
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Eagle is the exception for "regionals". A capt who stays there is not necessarily stupid. AMR has(or will have) a flow through program(unlike USAIR and DAL). And eagle will be around as long as AMR is. If one decides to stay at beagle, they are not making the wrong choice. If one, however, decides to stay at a contract airline(e.g. pinnacle) for their career....well you know where I stand.
What do you care where one decides to stay?
Eagle, XJT, Skywest, all same airplanes and relatively same route structure. A regional is a regional.
Eagle may be most stable regional, but has the least movement of all the regionals.
I support any pilot who decides to stay put at a regional. They have their reasons (seniority, pay, live-in-domicile, etc).
01-30-2007 | 06:20 AM
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At least with Eagle, they are contractually obligated to do AMR's flying. AMR can't just farm out their flying left and right, or put their flying up for bid.
Of course, like you mentioned, with job stability comes lower pay/slower movement. This is the same outside aviation as it is in aviation.
IMO, pilots should be shooting to work for a company that operates on it's own. Subcontractors are easy to replace.
01-30-2007 | 06:30 AM
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Her point is that a 12 year CA at Pinnacle can instantly become furloughed should NWA decide to scuttle Pinnacle and transfer their aircraft to another operator. Also, Pinnacle had to bid on their own flying, putting pressure on the pilots to accept a lower-paying contract.
At least with Eagle, they are contractually obligated to do AMR's flying. AMR can't just farm out their flying left and right, or put their flying up for bid.
Of course, like you mentioned, with job stability comes lower pay/slower movement. This is the same outside aviation as it is in aviation.
IMO, pilots should be shooting to work for a company that operates on it's own. Subcontractors are easy to replace.
At least with Eagle, they are contractually obligated to do AMR's flying. AMR can't just farm out their flying left and right, or put their flying up for bid.
Of course, like you mentioned, with job stability comes lower pay/slower movement. This is the same outside aviation as it is in aviation.
IMO, pilots should be shooting to work for a company that operates on it's own. Subcontractors are easy to replace.
Pinnacle:
Express I, wholly-owned by NWA, spun off after 9/11 to make NWA money. Changed name to Pinnacle
ExpressJet:
Was wholly-owned by Continental and called Continental Express, spun off around 9/11 to make Continental money.
About your PNCL comment, they just got a new ASA that is 10 years in duration. Unless PNCL goes into bankruptcy, or if the pilots strike, it seems that PNCL will continue to fly for NWA.
It's not all gloom and doom. Air Wis lost all of their United flying, but their mangement was able to become an all-US Airways Express carrier. Granted, they had to pay about $125 million and got one seat on the Board of Members at US Airways, but still.
AMR can do whatever it wishes to do with Eagle. If AMR wants to spin Eagle off, it will.
And you think AMR hasn't cheated out on Eagle?
How about giving TSA 14 AMERICAN EAGLE ERJs when TSA started as AmericanConnection out of STL?
I'm sure it was a pilot contractual violation, for Eagle planes must be flown with Eagle pilots, but we all know how that turned out.
Even Eagle is at the whim of AMR management.
01-30-2007 | 06:52 AM
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How anyone can tout the AMR flowthrough as 'good' is beyond me.
115-120 flowed through, and close to 600 flowed bAAck.
115-120 flowed through, and close to 600 flowed bAAck.
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