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Old 01-30-2007 | 07:09 AM
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Originally Posted by ShyGuy
About your PNCL comment, they just got a new ASA that is 10 years in duration. Unless PNCL goes into bankruptcy, or if the pilots strike, it seems that PNCL will continue to fly for NWA.

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Air Wis lost all of their United flying,
You realize AWAC signed a long term deal (forgot the length, 7-10 years or something) with United in 2003 and several months later United dropped them in BK court? Having a 10 year deal with NWA means nothing as a subcontractor.

As a subcontractor you are at the whim of the code share partner. Don't make this into something it isn't. It's infinitely better to be the one in control of your own destiny. in HMP's opinion, Eagle is a safer bet - but it is still a subcontractor (like you said).
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Old 01-30-2007 | 07:10 AM
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Originally Posted by HotMamaPilot
AMR has(or will have) a flow through program(unlike USAIR and DAL). And eagle will be around as long as AMR is. QUOTE]

There are no absolutes or guarantees in this business.

AMEN! And not to get off track here but....... For HotMamaPilot's sake..... I hope Rex can keep the ball in his own teammates hands so the Bears have a chance and make the SB a good game!
GO COLTS!
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Old 01-30-2007 | 07:17 AM
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Originally Posted by fosters
You realize AWAC signed a long term deal (forgot the length, 7-10 years or something) with United in 2003 and several months later United dropped them in BK court? Having a 10 year deal with NWA means nothing as a subcontractor.

As a subcontractor you are at the whim of the code share partner. Don't make this into something it isn't. It's infinitely better to be the one in control of your own destiny. in HMP's opinion, Eagle is a safer bet - but it is still a subcontractor (like you said).
I heard, from a little birdy, United has been in touch with AWAC lately? Any truth or hope for AirWis pilots to be doing some United flying again or was it just a request for flying that United put out?
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Old 01-30-2007 | 07:21 AM
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Originally Posted by ANPBird
I heard, from a little birdy, United has been in touch with AWAC lately? Any truth or hope for AirWis pilots to be doing some United flying again or was it just a request for flying that United put out?
It's a private company, internal company memos should stay internal. However I'm sure some yahoo will post internal emails, I love it when they do that. On a side note, don't believe anything till you see a press release and your name is on the dispatch release .
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Old 01-30-2007 | 07:34 AM
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Originally Posted by fosters
It's a private company, internal company memos should stay internal. However I'm sure some yahoo will post internal emails, I love it when they do that. On a side note, don't believe anything till you see a press release and your name is on the dispatch release .
I will tell that to your 5 FO's and 2 Capt's that filled me in on this and will stop listening if they spill the beans again. Sorry and I will keep my mouth closed. Thanks!
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Old 01-30-2007 | 07:38 AM
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Originally Posted by ANPBird
I will tell that to your 5 FO's and 2 Capt's that filled me in on this and will stop listening if they spill the beans again. Sorry and I will keep my mouth closed. Thanks!
It wasn't meant as a jab at you - but for the people in our company that think it's OK to go around posting private memos. AWAC was the only company that was publicly known to be in the running for the Midwest flying, thanks to some knee-jerk posters over on flightinfo. All the other bidders knew AWAC was in the running but AWAC had no idea who else was bidding against them. I don't think that had anything to do with losing the RFP, but it couldn't of helped.
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Old 01-30-2007 | 07:48 AM
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Originally Posted by fosters
It wasn't meant as a jab at you - but for the people in our company that think it's OK to go around posting private memos. AWAC was the only company that was publicly known to be in the running for the Midwest flying, thanks to some knee-jerk posters over on flightinfo. All the other bidders knew AWAC was in the running but AWAC had no idea who else was bidding against them. I don't think that had anything to do with losing the RFP, but it couldn't of helped.
I know, but also noted about what I say! I recieved all this info via phone conversation and not trying to start anything, just hoping my friends (And all AirWis pilots) can someday get a base again closer to the midwest. They hate the commute to PHL. Hopefully Jerry O. (Mesa) has dugg himself into a big enough hole with United by now and Air Wis could reap some new flying! I will wait until I read about it all in the News! Thank You!
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Old 01-30-2007 | 07:53 AM
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I won't post any internal company communications....but yes, AWAC supposedly has bid on a small amount of UAX flying. That said, if AWAC can't get incremental CRJ-200 growth in our own backyard (MKE), there's no friggin' way we can compete on a cost basis with the current UAX carriers. Either way we'll see, but I don't think even the most optimistic of pilots here is taking this (rumor) seriously.

And fosters, it was widely known that XJT was bidding on MEH flying as well...it was all over FI and APC, and I heard it from many of my friends there.
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Old 01-30-2007 | 08:03 AM
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Originally Posted by BoilerUP
I won't post any internal company communications....
...yet you go ahead and confirm. Way to go. My previous posts went right over your head, didn't they?

I actually blame the company more than giddy pilots. They should keep the RFP news confidential until it's been signed by the partner.
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Old 01-30-2007 | 08:38 AM
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Originally Posted by fosters
...yet you go ahead and confirm. Way to go. My previous posts went right over your head, didn't they?
What is your problem?

Your posts didn't go "right over my head" as you so eloquently put it. I won't post a word-for-word text of internal memos but what is the harm in confirming what this person had been told by SEVEN of our pilots? Hell, if you've taken a look at FI the first post about a possible United RFP was posted by no other than our scheduling chairman. And if you'll recall, the company didn't volunteer any information on this; they simply answered a question posed by a pilot.

Skywest pilots didn't mention anything about the MEH flying because their pilot group didn't know anything about it.

If you want tighter ComSec with Air Wisconsin communications regarding RFPs , shoot an email to management stating as much.
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