Whats the deal with Flows
 

Hey everyone, Im new to the forum, so I’m sure I will somehow offend some people here with this post, but thats part of the fun here right!? I have done some research here and have a hard time finding [relatively] concise information regarding flow throughs at PSA, Piedmont, or Envoy. For me this is my main draw to an operator as I am in a position to move wherever necessary for the best opportunity for growth, and in a way can take some concessions for opportunity later. (or at least I feel like I can now) Airplane doesn't matter to me, but upgrade would be important. I know that these operators can have hollow promises, and everyone is looking for that perfect spot but who really knows anything for sure, so screw it. - Here is what I'm wondering.

-What are the flows based on? I know seniority is the main factor, but are there any other concerns with this?

-How does AA select the number of people from each carrier to comprise a class? (percentage based, or is there set numbers?)

-What are these places really looking like regarding a time frame from mouths of the people currently working there?

-Whats the fine print here? I know that there is some clause like [by need from operator] somewhere which obviously can screw some people. but is there anything else to consider?

I can tell you how flows work at Envoy.

You interview with Envoy and get hired. Congratulations, you have now also been hired at AA. When your name comes up in seniority order you select YES or NO. If you select YES, you get a class date. Done.

Envoy gets 50% of each AA class although it's in reality been over 60%. Piedmont is similar to Envoy except for them it's 3 or 4 per month that go to AA. PSA is completely different. They don't have a flow, but what's called SSP= Special Selection Process. That means they still need to interview for the job, and only 4 per month are selected to interview.

Thanks! That sounds good on paper for sure, but whats the outlook from the line regarding a timeframe?

Don't come to PSA for any sort of hope of "flowing" to AA mainline. We don't currently offer that. We have an "SSP" which means in about 20 years you will get a guaranteed interview. There have been talks between our MEC and the company about increasing the amount of pilots guaranteed an interview each month, or just stopping the SSP and instituting a flow ala Piedmont and Envoy but so far nothing has materialized. PSA has other attractive qualities, but as of right now, working here basically excludes you from being hired at one of the big 3 legacy airlines as they experience a massive hiring boom over the next 5 years. If AA is your goal, don't come to PSA. Things could change in the future, but as of right now that's the best advice I can give you. If I was picking from the AAG wholly owned regionals right now, I'd choose Piedmont.

Incorrect.

4 pilot positions are to be offered for each month that AA is hiring.
They can interview 100, or 5. But at least 4 have to be hired.
Max would be 48/year hired from PSA.

My question is with the AA flow, do you need the 4 year degree?

Nope, with PDT.

Not sure about envoy and psa but at pdt the answer is no.
You can even come back to pdt with your seniority if for some reason you can't pass training at AA.

There is NO additional requirement to flow to AA from Envoy beyond what is required to just get hired at Envoy in he first place.

So the answer is: No, you don't need a degree.

whats the outlook for time at envoy? I thought some of the flows are still happening from people hired over a decade ago.