DEFLECT, DEFLECT, DEFLECT!!!

Answer the question: In all those years at the Regional level, why did you never leave? I mean, it's not like you were a Regional pilot for a short time. It approached almost two decades.

So answer the question, hot shot: Did you never apply to anywhere else? Or did you apply and just couldn't get hired?

Which one was it? Because it's one of the two. You're tactic of trying to deflect this issue until somebody gives up is hilarious.

But you won't get off that easy, sweetheart. If you are going to swing your johnson around the Regional forum as much as you do you need to pony up and take responsibility for yourself.

So answer the question.

You're just as quick to play the "salesman" card when people disagree with you...Or post anything about envoy. At all.

Your assumption about a pilot war is pretty extreme.

Take any other profession - teaching for example. A person is a teacher for 4 years and has 15 credit hours plus. They are paid on a grid similar to us: go to years of experience, go to credit hours plus and you get that schools contractual rate of pay. The following year they go to 5th year pay. Let's say enrollment declines and the neighborhood isnt as good as it once was. This teacher goes to another school - they come in with 5 years of work and their 15 credit hours plus. Their rate of pay is THAT schools grid for experience (5 years) and credit hours plus (15). They do not start over again. Is there a "Teacher war"? Well, there is competition - some schools are more desirable to work at than others. If it was up to some, they would rather teach in an affluent suburban school than Chicago Public School system.

Let's take a Mesa pilot for example today. They live in Chicago but after Mesa closed the chicago base, are forced to commute to IAH. Mesa has, as most would agree, some of the lowest rates of pay and work rules. As a result, coupled with commuting this pilot has pretty low QOL. Now, after 3 years he wishes to come to Envoy because the base, work rules and ability to NOT have to reset his rate of pay. He no longer commutes, actually gets a RAISE(3rd year Mesa is 32/hr, 3rd year Envoy is 37/hr) and has better QOL. Did this "harm" Mesa? Well, using your definition it did - because one less pilot at Mesa hurts their ability to staff their flying.

However, using your argument, a Mesa CA going over to United also hurts the industry and contributes to your pilot war.

I really cant see how one carrier offering the ability to bring in credit for experience "harms" the industry any more than it is now. Let's take the imaginary Mesa pilot for example. Has a wife and kids and a mortgage on a reasonable property. He wants to spend more time at home like when he was not commuting to IAH. However, under the status quo he would take a pay cut for 2 years. While his time at home is valuable, that doesnt pay the bills.

I honestly see offering credit for experience as being a great advancement to the regional industry and moving us more in line with all other fields out there.

But hey, if you need to call me a company man, salesman, cheerleader, etc...well, most people who know me would disagree. You wouldnt hurt my feelings calling me that.

IRRELEVANT, IRRELEVANT, IRRELEVANT !!!


...and considering the thread topic, itself a DEFLECTION, DEFLECTION, DEFLECTION !!!

I've actually discussed that before on this forum. Like many pilots, I've interviewed before and been successful and unsuccessful. We both know you really don't want to know this for any other reason but to use as more mud to throw.

This isn't about my "Johnson", it's about Envoy and deflecting the topic to be about ME to avoid the issue about the TOPIC and that won't fly, snookums'. ;)

Sorry, but you'll just have to suck eggs on that try. I'd get used to failure, if I were you.

So, the short answer is that my first post is correct. All I see so far from you guessed it..................ONLY the Envoy sales team in the throes of rationalization and deflection.

Man, I hope you guys get more then $96,000 this year, because you're slipping badly. ;)

Maybe because no one else agrees with you?

I don't get paid 96,000 a year. Why does that matter?

Actually I think that's a great idea. Make a poll asking if an airline allowing a new hire to bring in credit for rate of pay purposes only:

Strongly hurts the industry as a whole
Slightly hurts the industry as a whole
Does not hurt or benefit the industry as a whole
Slightly benefits the industry as a whole
Strongly benefits the industry as a whole

Try to not bias the question but I would be very interested in seeing the results. That removes the "Envoy salesman" attribute.

Seriously, what happened to RJ Pilot?

Now you are the voice of the forum ?

LOL !

I'm sure individually don't, but I wasn't referring to you individually. :rolleyes: Why does my individual career history matter in regards to the question of what Envoy ALPA may be about to do ?

Answer to both;

Absolutely nothing.

We had a GV ILS contest down in the basement last night and I lost. I'm posting from the backyard doghouse and plus he kept all the Cheetos since he won. It sucks being a bitter, angry old man who can't even beat RJ in an ILS contest anymore to say nothing of not being able to be hired by a major. :(

How is the ability to go to another regional without starting over at year one pay a bad thing? This levels up the competition between regionals vying for pilots. This means that the regionals have to try harder to attract and retain talent. This eliminates one of the biggest reasons pilots decide to stick it out at one company instead of starting over somewhere else. This is a good thing and it will hopefully force other regionals to implement similar policies, or offer retention packages or some other incentive to combat it. No other industry has the ridiculous pay structure we currently experience in this profession. This is a step in the right direction.

At least we know the truth now.

/Done trolling

No - it was an honest question. That is why I came up with the idea of a poll, to see the voice of the forum (since we know it doesn't represent the industry to accurately).

Also, I agree - your career history has NOTHING to do with this. That is why I just tried to answer your questions and topics in the first post as academically as possible.

Just sounds like more money being pushed into the market, sounds good. Everyone else will have to do it as well just like the signing bonus. Regionals getting too expensive yet? Thats a shame maybe its time to bring the flying back in house?