Cujo665 what happened?
 

Word on the street at PSA is Cujo was fired from Envoy? What happened?

And was hired at PSA��

We have the same rumor here at ENY. The company has been tired of his antics for a while, he bothers them. He bothers some of our union officials, too. He's doesn't rein in well or follow convention.

I've personally seen a lot of the work he's done that goes unannounced and un-broadcast that gets little things fixed before they ever become a bigger issue both for individual pilots and the pilot group as a whole. This pilot group has lost a valuable asset. Hopefully he'll get his job back, though I think he'll be muzzled if he does.

Did they say adios mike fox to him?


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Is it still a great time to be an Envoy pilot?

As soon as the door closed behind him.

The company doesn't hate him, that is just something he likes people to believe. He got fired for attendance abuse, the same thing that got him on a career decision day.

Sure. A lot of people moved up a number.

I've seen a lot of "attendance abuse" that goes unpursued at this company. They sure went after his.

He certainly busted his hump selling Envoy on-line. As I understand it, CDD's really put you in a pickle as you admit the accusations against you which means you're essentially on double secret probation for the remainder of your tenure. If Mason ran afoul of his tenuous employment situation and they canned him, that is truly unfortunate. I disagreed with his claims and math, but take no pleasure in someone losing their job. I heard of many pilots canned at Eagle for a wide range of infractions and most got their jobs back. Normally, I would say don't count Mason out just yet, but a existing CDD in one's file exacerbates the situation in favor of the company from what I've heard.

I wish him good luck on getting his job back and hope whatever the situation is, it can be salvaged.

So are we officially assuming Mason is Cujo665? ALPA volunteer or what?

Is this really true? His identity is known and he was terminated? If so, hopefully he gets his position back in short order buy the arbitration process can take time.

Cujo's identity is no secret to anyone familiar with EL.

Even if he is hired back at the bottom of the seniority list, there is nothing to worry about. He will be a captain in 2.5 years and at mainline in 6 years!

Cujo665 what happened?
 

Frankly I'm disappointed that mods don't go after this sort of thing; I'd ban them and post the matching ID's, but that's just me.

There's no doubt that there are multiple posting ID's behind single individuals. Personally, I doubt Mason/Cujo were the same people, but I could be wrong.

He was outted a long time ago.

Yea tell me about it, they tried to go after my job over attendance abuse. The official response from Matt Bartell was not all abuse is the same.


Cujo in real life is 32nd degree Freemason so I am 100% sure he is the same person. Plus look but at his old post here and you can narrow it down to a few eagle pilots and he is one of them.

Wholeheartedly agree. I hope he truly believes what he is selling because he's going to be living it.

That's not how it works. If the union gets him his job back, it will be at same seniority with back pay. If not then he will never be able to work for any AAG company.

It was a joke. Try to keep up.

Yeah....

He loved playing the martyr card....did it for years and used it as a shield.

Simply put: He F'd up more than once. His antics online were just the very tip of the iceberg. As for sick abuse...well, there is sick abuse then there is sick abuse. No two cases are exactly the same.

All indications point to Cujo doing is best to get out of having to ever actually go to work, using all available resources including punching out on "paid union leave". After one such incident, in which he took a vacation to Disney while on "union leave" he was given a career decision day. He made his decision evidently, and this is the result.

I wish it hadn't come to this...more for the sake of his family. I wished the guy would have been removed from the Union long, LONG ago but not like this.

In any case, it's not anything that we need to continue discussing. It's bad form to air out another person's misfortune in a public place, regardless if they deserved it or not. Yeah, I know. I just took part in it myself, but more to clear up certain details and it's the last I'll speak of it.

Lets focus on Envoy and the future.The first E-175 is already on property, flying from 3 different Regionals is returning to Envoy in droves, and there is potential for more. Upgrades are coming down, new vacancy bids will be announced soon, and the flow will continue to send 300-370 pilots per year from Envoy to American Airlines.

Lets move on people.

Well his replacement stepped up to the plate rather quickly. Let me guess, Its a great time to be an envoy pilot.........

It's a great time for anyone at any airline who doesn't have the misfortune to work for Mesa or Republic.

Back under your bridge.

Don't think he was joking

Right, anything other than love for your sales job is trolling. Id say lying on here constantly about Envoy in truly trolling. Where are the droves of flying returning?. How are FO's on reserve for 2+ years and yet are supposed to upgrade in 2.5? When are your reserve rules going to get fixed? Throw your company sponsored gorilla math at me to explain it all, but guess what, it doesn't pass the eye test.

There is no lying, kid. Only your warped perception of things.

I know it sucks working for one of the two worst Regionals on earth, but you don't need to project your frustrations on others.

What would you know about Reserve rules? What you hear online? That's hilarious. Tell us how Reserve at your airline works.

News flash: Envoy doesn't have to pass your "eye test". You don't need to worry about it at all, actually. But lets see you be so smug throughout 2016 as everything we talk about here materializes, including but not limited to returned flying, increased upgrades, and over 300 pilots flowing by the end of the year.

Good luck getting hired at Frontier, or Spirit, or one of the other LCCs. People who aren't dumb enough to fall for Mesa's or Republic's gimmicks will have a no-interview flow to AA while people like you are still paying big bucks out of pocket to attend job fairs just for the privilege of paying for your own hotel room during training at Frontier.

Yeah, I would be mad too.

I think what he is saying is you currently have FO's on reserve for 4+ years. That being the case there is no way you can be a Captain at Envoy in 2.5 years if you are still an FO on reserve, let alone flow to American in 5 years if you are just finishing being an FO on reserve.

Unless they are going to let FO's flow above Captains to American, I don't see any other way to flow to American unless its in the following order...

FO Reserve +4 years
FO Line Holder +X years
Capt Reserve +X years
Capt Line Holder +X years
Flow to American +X years (currently 16 years)

Granted I don't know all the numbers, but it seems clear you can't flow at year 5 like Cujo promised and maybe that is why he was let go?

In any event, PSA is hiring alot and I would have no problem with working with him.

Can someone sum up who cujo665 is for someone out of the loop?

Ok. We'll keep waiting around for 2016 for all of your wild fantasies to come true.

While were waiting, new hires at republic will make more in their first year than a 5th year FO at Envoy. Thats not a gimmick, unlike your precious flow. That will pay your bills, your flow won't. People who need the flow to work are those who wouldn't get hired any other way, not the other way around.

They will also upgrade faster, have better reserve rules, have better bases, and once again, SIGNIFICANTLY better pay.

On one point though, you are correct. Envoy doesn't have to pass my eye test, I am already employed elsewhere. It does however have to pass the eye test of the potential new hires, who are currently seeing envoy and your promises for what they are, and taking a pass.

I shouldn't even respond...but here goes:

The upgrade times and flow are for NEW HIRES...PEOPLE HIRED TODAY. Not for people already on property.

Current Reserve time is based on what has happened at Envoy in THE PAST....specifically the past 2 years. 2013/2014. In any case, it is only in ORD that FOs are still on Reserve after 4 years.

Otherwise, many people bid Reserve ON PURPOSE for increased QOL and better schedules. Now why would people do that if Reserve was so horrible?

I know math is hard, but you are trying to reverse rationalize this any way you can. Anyone hired at Envoy from this year forward will NOT experience the same stagnation that people hired in the past have. Throw all the X numbers around you want. But there is no point...you guys want to argue about crap which has already been decided by American Airlines management and you think you know more than they do. I'm done. Enjoy your 5 flows/month over at PSA. Hope you can hold out for 20+ years.

I sense a lot of anger and tone in your post and I would encourage you to use words that help and not hurt.

If I understand you correctly, you are saying a new hire that is hired today will upgrade in 2.5 years? I'll accept that if you can tell me how many more years the FO's on reserve in ORD for the last 4+ years will have to wait to be Captain? Will they be upgrading in 2016?

Cujo and Tim Martins are in a meeting right now.

Good Luck!

If he gets his job back it may not necessarily be with back pay. It all depends on how the arbitrator sees the situation.

Y'all drink the Kool-aid, they aren't going to flow you if there is no one to replace you.
This is a problem every regional is going to have. I have a better chance getting on elsewhere with PIC time, then you do with a fraction of total time, most of it sic. You just keep waiting for that flow, maybe you'll get lucky.

But again, if Envoy has 2100+pilots (last figure I heard), thats's about 1050-1100 F/O's. If they upgrade 205-250 (depending on who you listen to) next year, that means 850-900 would have to upgrade (or leave) over the following 18 months (Jan. 2017-mid 2018) for a new-hire of today to make captain in 2.5 years. Sure, there will be some outside attrition moving things along a little, but the 18-month post 2016 upgrade schedule would have to be well over double and almost triple 2016's and more importantly Envoy would have to reel in an equal number of new-hires from 2017 thru mid 2018 (no attrition impact there) and that just looks to be way too optimistic. Remember, the flow is linked to that part of the equation and additionally, it requires AA to replace every retiring pilot with no contraction.

I just don't see these numbers and claims adding up despite how desperately some want them to.

And, don't forget that we are already a couple months in to that 2.5 year prediction. So it really isn't 30 months anymore, but probably in the range of 27-28 months. That is a lot of movement in the next 27 months.

They only have to average 34 upgrades a month for the next 27 months if the 2.5/5 is going to come true. Shouldn't be an issue with all the vacancies they consistently put out..

Do you have any idea the logistics of 34 upgrades a month for 27 months? Has anyone considered the unlikely ability to keep enough check airmen around for this kind of movement? Anyone choosing an airline based on loose projections and fuzzy math in this day and age deserves what they get. While I think things will improve dramatically, the numbers you guys are touting are pure fantasy.

Unless Envoy puts that many in new-hire classes on a monthly average each and every month, it shrinks. If Envoy shrinks, how do they even HAVE a need for 34 upgrades a month as they will be incrimentally smaller every succeeding month requiring less captains ?

If the numbers don't add up, how valid is the information and if the information is in question, how questionable is the credibility of the source claiming that information ?

Caveat Emptor.

I'll chime in here. His words were meant to help, hence him explaining the rationalization behind 2.5/6 that certain dense people can't understand. To recap for the millionth time, it's a PROJECTION. Choose to believe it if you like to or not but the math adds up (I would give or take a couple months obviously, my crystal ball is broken.)

That being said, I cannot tell you how many more years until a 4 year RSV FO sees a CA position. Again, it's a projection. By running quick numbers from my end, I would say a year to a year and a half.

So...did those words help and not hurt, my sensitive little PSA friend? Why don't you focus your anger at PDT where they're advertising a 3 to 5 year flow to AA. I'm sorry, but those numbers (especially 3 years) are laughable if looking at a flow of 3/month.

PDT flowing in 3 years is no more laughable than Envoy's 2.5/6. After all, it's a projection, right?

For the 2.5/6 to work, 34 upgrades per month, every month, for the next year and beyond are the numbers needed to make it happen at Envoy. Unfortunately, that's laughable.