First 121 IOE
12-04-2015 | 05:59 PM
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Part of professionalism in the 121 world is taking positive steps to be fit for duty each and every time. If you are not 100% rested and fit, then you are either sick or fatigued and cannot legally exercise the privileges of your pilot certificate. A good study of the Colgan accident will open your eyes in this area. Highly recommend planning your commutes accordingly. Doing a red-eye and then Napping in the crew lounge will not suffice.
Did the check airman discuss this with you during IOE? I am wondering why he did not recognize your condition and take appropriate action?
Did the check airman discuss this with you during IOE? I am wondering why he did not recognize your condition and take appropriate action?
12-04-2015 | 11:13 PM
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You just openly admitted on a public forum to flying fatigued on a Series of 121 flights, while on IOE.. That scares the bejeezus out of me...
You are required to sign the release for each leg attesting to the fact that you are "fit for duty" per 14 CFR 117 and 121. Please Think about that very seriously. Think about the passengers you are flying around. They TRUST and expect a safe flight each and every time, no exceptions....
You are required to sign the release for each leg attesting to the fact that you are "fit for duty" per 14 CFR 117 and 121. Please Think about that very seriously. Think about the passengers you are flying around. They TRUST and expect a safe flight each and every time, no exceptions....
I realize every airlines policy is different. But most don't pay for fatigue calls. As long as a fatigue call could potentially result in lost pay there will ALWAYS be pressure to fly fatigued.
12-05-2015 | 01:20 AM
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Well if the FAA actually cared about solving pilot fatigue they would have really done something meaningful about it.
I realize every airlines policy is different. But most don't pay for fatigue calls. As long as a fatigue call could potentially result in lost pay there will ALWAYS be pressure to fly fatigued.
I realize every airlines policy is different. But most don't pay for fatigue calls. As long as a fatigue call could potentially result in lost pay there will ALWAYS be pressure to fly fatigued.
12-05-2015 | 04:46 AM
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Well if the FAA actually cared about solving pilot fatigue they would have really done something meaningful about it.
I realize every airlines policy is different. But most don't pay for fatigue calls. As long as a fatigue call could potentially result in lost pay there will ALWAYS be pressure to fly fatigued.
I realize every airlines policy is different. But most don't pay for fatigue calls. As long as a fatigue call could potentially result in lost pay there will ALWAYS be pressure to fly fatigued.
Lost pay for FT calls will never be an FAA concern.
Showing up for IOE after a redeye commute and posting on the innerwebz about it is just…dumb.
12-05-2015 | 07:38 AM
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Ok…I'll bite. Please explain how you are more fatigued since 117 came into play. 117 was a massive, imperfect compromise, but at least now I have 10 hours min rest with a required 8 hour uninterrupted sleep opportunity. Where I work, I rarely see less than 11-12 hours of scheduled rest. Before 117, my "rest" on the hotel van was reducible to 8 hours.
Lost pay for FT calls will never be an FAA concern.
Showing up for IOE after a redeye commute and posting on the innerwebz about it is just…dumb.
Lost pay for FT calls will never be an FAA concern.
Showing up for IOE after a redeye commute and posting on the innerwebz about it is just…dumb.
117 was a total swing and a miss. The FAA told the company they were going to have to pay more money and the company just passed the costs on down to their pilots.
12-05-2015 | 01:17 PM
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Because now I have to work 18-19 days a month for the same pay instead of 15-16 a month. When I was in the regional world, fatigue reports abs complaints tripled after 117. I know because I had a convo with the FRMP manager.
117 was a total swing and a miss. The FAA told the company they were going to have to pay more money and the company just passed the costs on down to their pilots.
117 was a total swing and a miss. The FAA told the company they were going to have to pay more money and the company just passed the costs on down to their pilots.
12-05-2015 | 03:03 PM
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If the FAA actually cared about pilot fatigue they would do something about this. As it is, they care about liability and have designed a perfect system where the liability is 100% on the pilots head.
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