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snackysmores 01-22-2016 11:21 AM

Don't worry, Horizon pilots will vote yes to concessions and it will be our turn to be the laughing stock of the industry.

disillusioned 01-22-2016 12:35 PM


Originally Posted by Mookie (Post 2052920)
It was the same night. The order was announced before we woke up the next am. Pilots are typically very smart, but not very bright...

Of course, we also believed that they were perfectly okay with shrinking the airline if we didn't vote yes last time. I can just hear it on the earnings call. We went ahead an turned down flying because our pilots are so greedy. Every dime they save not paying us goes right into the execs pockets via bonuses.

Phteven 01-22-2016 01:05 PM

Alaska to order 30 large RJs in 1st QTR 2016
 
The only parallel between the CRJ's going away and our current situation is that in both cases, the decision was made before there were ever any negotiations. The company has made some clever moves here to create animosity between the pilot group and the union. The union told them to **** off when they asked for a cut to the CRJ rates, and the company then made it look like they went away because of the union. Now they're riding that wave by getting the union to push this garbage to the pilot group because the union doesn't want to get burned at the stake by the pilots. There is no way the union can get ahead of this and look like the good guys.

As has been said tons of times here on APC - AAG will not **** over Horizon, at least not right now. If they screw Horizon over in the future it will be regardless of the outcome of this TA. We cannot compete with Skywest's unit costs, but we aren't competing with them anyway even if AAG says we are. The company has been talking WAY too much about these jets going to QX to be serious about possibly sending them to OO.

amcnd 01-22-2016 01:12 PM

SkyWest doesnt like OPP latley.. (Other people planes). They like to buy there own, and fly them..

Check Complete 01-22-2016 01:44 PM

I was told from a reliable source that SkyWest will lease the aircraft to Horizon because the delivery slots are already scheduled to SkyWest.

It seems a forgone conclusion the jets are going to Horizon, as they should.

Why even consider concessions?

Phteven 01-22-2016 02:24 PM


Originally Posted by Check Complete (Post 2053182)
I was told from a reliable source that SkyWest will lease the aircraft to Horizon because the delivery slots are already scheduled to SkyWest.

It seems a forgone conclusion the jets are going to Horizon, as they should.

Why even consider concessions?


According to the logic of many around here, it goes like this:

No concessions = jets don't/maybe/probably/most likely/definitely come to Horizon (many varying opinions here)

Concessions = jets definitely come to Horizon

Too many people with low risk tolerance. I should start playing poker with these guys on overnights.

snackysmores 01-22-2016 03:37 PM


Originally Posted by Phteven (Post 2053214)
According to the logic of many around here, it goes like this:

No concessions = jets don't/maybe/probably/most likely/definitely come to Horizon (many varying opinions here)

Concessions = jets definitely come to Horizon

Too many people with low risk tolerance. I should start playing poker with these guys on overnights.

Good luck getting anyone out of their hotel rooms *slam* *click*.

WesternSkies 01-22-2016 07:33 PM

Skyw has way too many firm orders to be putting resources towards aircraft they don't own.

Winston 01-22-2016 08:29 PM

How much/what size RJ codeshare flying does Alaska's scope allow?

LaserRacer 01-22-2016 08:32 PM

Alaska scope... No such animal.


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