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Old 02-26-2016 | 07:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Squallrider
Won't be fine if you're one of the ones that doesn't get taken on to cover the flying they take back and you lose your regional job that happens to be paying your mortgage etc. mainline flies mainline planes, for every CRJ they replace with a 737 that's at least two crews that are no longer needed.
What's the alternative? Continue in your present circumstance? Those are the words of someone who can't see into the future.
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Old 02-26-2016 | 07:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Geardownflaps30
They have 25; 15 175's and 10 170's, the addition was to be another 9.
We are splitting hairs, but I know they have at least 30 for Delta right now. Go on their website under investor relations and look at their Q1/Q2 2015 fleet plan.
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Old 02-26-2016 | 07:31 AM
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Originally Posted by deltajuliet
Historically, if Airline B acquires Airline A, are the airline A pilots now under Airline B's contract regardless of if it's better or worse?
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ROFL, sorry but JO is not buying RAH! I am sure he would like some of the flying tho.
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Dude, that's not what he asked.
Yep, thanks tin. Not what I asked or suggested. Besides, Mesa doesn't have the money for something like that.
Originally Posted by zondaracer
It depends. Skywest bought Expressjet/ASA and they are still operated as a separate airline with a separate contract.
Sure, fair point. But in cases where the pilots are brought into the fold on one certificate? Cases like American/TWA, for instance. In a case like that, if for example Compass or Envoy or whoever acquired RAH, do the pilots have to vote to accept the acquiring airline's pilot contract or is it automatically theirs, now?
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Old 02-26-2016 | 07:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Systemized
We are splitting hairs, but I know they have at least 30 for Delta right now. Go on their website under investor relations and look at their Q1/Q2 2015 fleet plan.
It's simply not correct. I can go on the company intranet and look at the aircraft in the fleet. It's quite simple. Some of the investment material looked at and included in its forecast some of the additional aircraft that we NEVER took delivery of. You speak of a "plan". I speak of what is actually here whether flying or parked on the ramp at the IMC in Indy. I actually work here. Do you?
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Old 02-26-2016 | 07:33 AM
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Originally Posted by FirstClass
What's the alternative? Continue in your present circumstance? Those are the words of someone who can't see into the future.
No that's the words of a realistic person, a crappy job is better than no job
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Old 02-26-2016 | 07:35 AM
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Originally Posted by deltajuliet
Yep, thanks tin. Not what I asked or suggested. Besides, Mesa doesn't have the money for something like that.

Sure, fair point. But in cases where the pilots are brought into the fold on one certificate? Cases like American/TWA, for instance. In a case like that, if for example Compass or Envoy or whoever acquired RAH, do the pilots have to vote to accept the acquiring airline's pilot contract or is it automatically theirs, now?
The have to vote in a JCBA, look at pinnacolaba and ASA/XJT.
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Old 02-26-2016 | 07:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Systemized
I think they have slightly more E170/175s

105 American 170/175s

30 Delta 170/175s

+/- 58 United 170/175s?


Republic was replacing all their Qs with 50 new 175s, I think that 50 number was decreased. I'm sure what the final number is, maybe someone at Republic knows. Looks like Delta is their smallest E175 customer. I could see Delta attempting to take their E175s elsewhere. Maybe the 30 go to compass and Envoy takes the 20 AA Compass E175s back.
What is your logic here? I doubt compass sees any of these planes but why would they transfer planes that are under contract. Makes no sense.
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Old 02-26-2016 | 07:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Gjn290
The have to vote in a JCBA, look at pinnacolaba and ASA/XJT.
I know they merged, but I'm unfamiliar with the details. If they don't vote it in, they operate separately in the meantime?
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Old 02-26-2016 | 07:47 AM
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RAH still recruiting pilots at some convention today. Check their Twitter.
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Old 02-26-2016 | 07:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Geardownflaps30
These numbers are not correct.

Currently approx 223 Ejets with about 20ish parked due to lack of staff.
Currently 71+ 145's with only 16 flying next month due to staffing.
Currently only 2 Q400's flying. They stop at the end of the month.

There simply isn't a huge number of planes to be parked. They are ALREADY PARKED but RAH is still paying the FULL leases on them to the tune of $10million/month. This is the problem. There will be no furloughs, no layoffs. But there will be plenty of leases terminated as well as 145 flying terminated.

There could potentially be a 170/175 contract terminated (read Delta) but those pilots will quickly be transferred to other 170/175 flying. The Delta flying is only 25 170/175's and only 15 of them were flying this month due to lack of staffing.

Even if every plane except for the 170/175 fleet were parked tomorrow, RAH would still be understaffed.

Now that said, I'm not saying all is unicorns, rainbows and lollipops here. There will be tough times as the bankruptcy court, creditors committee and the company hash out an exit plan. I'm simply saying that this notion that many aircraft currently flying must be parked and pilots laid off is purely and simply false.

Good post. There is no need for panic or rash, emotional decisions here. Obviously this is unfortunate, but I highly doubt we will see a furlough here. Get your apps out and your logbook current in case they do screw with the CBA, but I would be cautious about jumping just yet. There is a lot at stake here and this is the first bankruptcy of the "pilot shortage" era, this will probably not play out the same way as some of the bankruptcy's we have seen in the past. Run that I AM SAFE check before you make decisions.


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