Why Don't You All Just Leave...
#61
Layover Master
Joined: Jan 2013
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I'm in my 20's, on track to make between 80-90k as a regional CA 3 years out of school. My friends who graduated from college with business/finance/accounting degrees are making far less.
The job market isn't great out there, and while I believe we are underpaid it isn't exactly sunshine and roses outside of the aviation industry.
The job market isn't great out there, and while I believe we are underpaid it isn't exactly sunshine and roses outside of the aviation industry.
It took me 10 years to make over $50k. I'm mid 30's at my fourth airline. You can think you have it made and then it's all gone...
#62
Layover Master
Joined: Jan 2013
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I must have done something wrong.
No college...
No debt...
Not a Major Airline...
Been a captain on a widebody since my 20's...
6 figure income for 25 plus years...
Never less than 14 days at home a month...
Took care of my own retirement...
Own my home out right...
3 NORMAL grown kids with jobs and with grand children...
And I'm told constantly how much my career, QOL and airline sucks...
My next door neighbor...in debt, 4th wife, one kid in jail, and works at Home Depot...(Retired from Delta)...don't get me started on the retired United guy down the street...lol
I really screwed up and should have listened to everyone who knows everything about everything, instead of taking responsibility in my own future...
"Luck favors the prepared...darling" incredibles
No college...
No debt...
Not a Major Airline...
Been a captain on a widebody since my 20's...
6 figure income for 25 plus years...
Never less than 14 days at home a month...
Took care of my own retirement...
Own my home out right...
3 NORMAL grown kids with jobs and with grand children...
And I'm told constantly how much my career, QOL and airline sucks...
My next door neighbor...in debt, 4th wife, one kid in jail, and works at Home Depot...(Retired from Delta)...don't get me started on the retired United guy down the street...lol
I really screwed up and should have listened to everyone who knows everything about everything, instead of taking responsibility in my own future...
"Luck favors the prepared...darling" incredibles
Yeah, you've done something wrong alright.
Thanks for the update on what the industry was like when Braniff was around, Gramps.
#63
Line Holder
Joined: Jul 2011
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From: CA
Was thinking the same thing! I call BS
#64
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Apr 2011
Posts: 5,816
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From: retired 767(dl)
You know that now, it is a punishable offense to pick on old people right?
#65
On Reserve
Joined: Dec 2015
Posts: 10
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From: E170 FO
It is pretty easy to make your stance. When a company tries to get you to do something illegal, in the interest of increasing their profits, you simply tell them no. When the companies assistant cp calls and tells you you are selfish, stupid, etc for saying no and threatens you with your job, tell them no. They make billions off of our backs and then file by and will throw you under the bus quicker than they can hop in their Ferrari and quote a scripture. (Reverend BB pun intended). Screw that. Are we not the bread and butter to their millions? Why are they entitled to so much while paying us chump change in return? It is because we all have modern day type a personalities. What does this mean? Betas. You are all betas. To sit idly and do nothing while our bosses make triple or even quintuple our annual salaries? At what point do you draw the line and say enough? At what point do you realize we are only forced to "not strike because of RLA, excuse, excuse, etc"? Screw that. We have the right to put a stop to it and we should. Regardless, it will never happen as there are no true type a personalities in aviation anymore. Just overweight, underpaid, under appreciated, peasants that do nothing as they are trampled upon. Glad I got out when I did. I now enjoy the freedom of telling my superiors how I feel when asked to do something illegal. I tell them no. I have that freedom and luxury to do so. Thankfully, I am a respected professional and it has not come to that point. However, if it does, I stand ready to defend what I have earned and worked for and suffered for. I deserve the best this life has to offer and since this life is not a rehearsal, I refuse to live a life of mediocrity.
#rantover
#rantover
#66
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Apr 2015
Posts: 857
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It is pretty easy to make your stance. When a company tries to get you to do something illegal, in the interest of increasing their profits, you simply tell them no. When the companies assistant cp calls and tells you you are selfish, stupid, etc for saying no and threatens you with your job, tell them no. They make billions off of our backs and then file by and will throw you under the bus quicker than they can hop in their Ferrari and quote a scripture. (Reverend BB pun intended). Screw that. Are we not the bread and butter to their millions? Why are they entitled to so much while paying us chump change in return? It is because we all have modern day type a personalities. What does this mean? Betas. You are all betas. To sit idly and do nothing while our bosses make triple or even quintuple our annual salaries? At what point do you draw the line and say enough? At what point do you realize we are only forced to "not strike because of RLA, excuse, excuse, etc"? Screw that. We have the right to put a stop to it and we should. Regardless, it will never happen as there are no true type a personalities in aviation anymore. Just overweight, underpaid, under appreciated, peasants that do nothing as they are trampled upon. Glad I got out when I did. I now enjoy the freedom of telling my superiors how I feel when asked to do something illegal. I tell them no. I have that freedom and luxury to do so. Thankfully, I am a respected professional and it has not come to that point. However, if it does, I stand ready to defend what I have earned and worked for and suffered for. I deserve the best this life has to offer and since this life is not a rehearsal, I refuse to live a life of mediocrity.
#rantover
#rantover
#67
On Reserve
Joined: Dec 2015
Posts: 10
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From: E170 FO
What are you talking about? I DID do it! It was a bit un-nerving but I did it and my life is soooo much better now. It also makes things a lot easier if you have more than one source of income. My money isn't made from aviation. I enjoy aviation as a hobby that pays but I don't hesitate to put anyone in their place if they step out of line.
Example: Had a Crew scheduling mgr get irate with me at my last gig for calling fatigued. Chewed me up one side and down the other. So, I hopped a js to his office. The surprised look on his face was priceless when I showed up to greet this pint sized package of dynamite. I invited him to speak that way to me now that I was sitting in front of him. You would not believe the amount of "respect and courtesy" that man showed me. It's so funny how people treat others when they can hide behind a phone/pc/etc. Their entire demeanor changes when they are confronted by those they seek to oppress.
#noragrets
#68
Line Holder
Joined: Feb 2009
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How about the idea that no one is wrong here. We all see the industry in our own individual way based on our own individual experiences that have gotten us this point in our careers..wherever that may be. From left seat 74 flyin across the ponds to right seat 1900 flyin across the Rockies we all see it differently based on where we are at and our perspective. No two opinions are alike but no one is wrong. Live and let live and enjoy the show how ever you see fit based on how you see the world. Just don't bring down others simply because they may see things a bit different. Perhaps just be open enough to learn from it.
#69
Banned
Joined: Jan 2015
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What are you talking about? I DID do it! It was a bit un-nerving but I did it and my life is soooo much better now. It also makes things a lot easier if you have more than one source of income. My money isn't made from aviation. I enjoy aviation as a hobby that pays but I don't hesitate to put anyone in their place if they step out of line.
Example: Had a Crew scheduling mgr get irate with me at my last gig for calling fatigued. Chewed me up one side and down the other. So, I hopped a js to his office. The surprised look on his face was priceless when I showed up to greet this pint sized package of dynamite. I invited him to speak that way to me now that I was sitting in front of him. You would not believe the amount of "respect and courtesy" that man showed me. It's so funny how people treat others when they can hide behind a phone/pc/etc. Their entire demeanor changes when they are confronted by those they seek to oppress.
#noragrets
Example: Had a Crew scheduling mgr get irate with me at my last gig for calling fatigued. Chewed me up one side and down the other. So, I hopped a js to his office. The surprised look on his face was priceless when I showed up to greet this pint sized package of dynamite. I invited him to speak that way to me now that I was sitting in front of him. You would not believe the amount of "respect and courtesy" that man showed me. It's so funny how people treat others when they can hide behind a phone/pc/etc. Their entire demeanor changes when they are confronted by those they seek to oppress.
#noragrets
#70
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Feb 2016
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Life is FULL of choices. Welcome to it. Whether it be ****, Bologna, ham, PB&J... You and only you can choose which ones you are willing to eat for someone else.
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