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dhc8fo 02-08-2007 04:16 PM

Umm...this entire post troubles me on many many levels.....:eek:

RJ85FO 02-08-2007 04:17 PM


Originally Posted by N5XXER (Post 115224)
I cant think of a way to proceed direct to the 301@60 unless it was previously planned (ie. you have the lat/lon).


See my previous post. All GPS units including handhelds that I HAVE USED (Garmin and King) allow you to specify the distance and radial. In the 530 it takes less than 60 seconds to create a waypoint at that DME fix and nav directly to it.

dhc8fo 02-08-2007 04:18 PM


Originally Posted by RJ85FO (Post 115229)
See my previous post. All GPS units including handhelds that I HAVE USED (Garmin and King) allow you to specify the distance and radial. In the 530 it takes less than 60 seconds to create a waypoint at that DME fix and nav directly to it.

....Yup...

N5XXER 02-08-2007 04:20 PM


Originally Posted by RJ85FO (Post 115220)
Precisely...
Im the garmin you just go to the user waypoint page, enter a name for your waypoint. Select the fix you want to REF WPT field (DLF) enter your radial (301) in the RAD field and enter your desired distance (60nm) in the DIS field.

Then hit DIRECT TO and you are LNAVing where you need to go..


Intersting, learn something new everyday. (just read this after I added my post)

rickair7777 02-08-2007 04:21 PM


Originally Posted by N5XXER (Post 115224)
As far as the Garmin 430 is concerned. You can select to go Direct to the VOR...then push the OBS button and dial in your desired radial into the NAV indicator that your GPS is hooked up to. Now all you have to do is intercept the radial and track in to the 60DME fix.

NO! Unless I misunderstood the original clearance, he WAS NOT cleared to intercept the 301 radial and track it to the D60 point...he was cleared DIRECTLY to the D60 point from his current position (which was not on the 301 radial). That means a straight line courtesy of RNAV. RJ85FO described how to program that into the Garmin.

The only reason TD got away wiith this was because he was on a nearby radial, so his approximation wasn't noticeable to ATC, or they just didn't care about the slight deviation.

RJ85FO 02-08-2007 04:22 PM

There was a Merlin 3 (SW3) filed /G off of SRR going to DRT. Took off at 1458 Moutain time today and landed at 1710 Central time. They filed for FL230 and had an average speed of 286 knots.

N699RK owned by K Berger Inc out of Alto, NM.

N5XXER 02-08-2007 04:23 PM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 115236)
NO! Unless I misunderstood the original clearance, he WAS NOT cleared to intercept the 301 radial and track it to the D60 point...he was cleared DIRECTLY to the D60 point from his current position (which was not on the 301 radial). That means a straight line courtesy of RNAV. RJ85FO described how to program that into the Garmin.

The only reason TD got away wiith this was because he was on a nearby radial, so his approximation wasn't noticeable to ATC, or they just didn't care about the slight deviation.

Gotcha...didnt know you could program reference waypoints....as previously stated, learn something new everyday!! :)

Podaddy 02-08-2007 04:29 PM

The reason for the weird clearance is because of that little old AFB that was sitting off your nose on the descent. The Moa's surround Laughlin AFB and are stacked one on top of another. It's been a while but the 15K foot level off was to put you between the high and low areas. The other guys are right about building the point on the radial in the box. If you were in range and, a military guy, you would be doing a fix to fix direct (old school, use the box). Look at the approaches into Laughlin. The controller was probable getting you out of the way for the arrivals and not trying to make you work. The base is incredible busy with low time student pilots flying jets in close proximity to each other. If you fly in there often watch out. They have three runways, Moa's everywhere, aux fields and they are all busy all day long.

N5XXER 02-08-2007 04:30 PM


Originally Posted by dhc8fo (Post 115228)
Umm...this entire post troubles me on many many levels.....:eek:

Why is that??? He had an honest question...he learned something...so did I, and im sure many other people who read this will understand it now and not make the same mistakes in the future. Everyone has got to start somewhere on the learning curve. Please dont discourage others from asking questions...that is how people make BIG mistakes.

Podaddy 02-08-2007 04:40 PM

[quote=N5XXER;115247]Why is that??? He had an honest question...he learned something...

Amen brotha. We have all done some not so bright things in the air, sweat up the seat a little and learned a lot. There are those that have and those that will. If you think your above learning something in this game we will all read about you someday:eek: keep the questions coming. Your airmenship is nothing more than the sum of all your F* Ups.


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