NY Times Article on The Pilot Shortage:
04-17-2016, 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by WhiskeyKilo
This is so full of bull. The GAO did a survey in 2012 and it showed here are approximately 140,000 rated ATP's, and 105,000 commercial instrument rated pilots that could take the ATP Test. The FAA gave out approximately 6400 ATP certificates in 2012 and that number is trending up.
Including military pilots who are retiring that's about 250,000 pilots that are competing for 72,000 airline jobs.
There is not a pilot shortage. There is a surplus of pilots that don't want to be paid pennies to work at the regionals. BB at Republic blamed the 1500 hour rule when he should be looking to pay his pilots more. Regional first year F/O pay is trending up but is nowhere near where it should be right now.
Including military pilots who are retiring that's about 250,000 pilots that are competing for 72,000 airline jobs.
There is not a pilot shortage. There is a surplus of pilots that don't want to be paid pennies to work at the regionals. BB at Republic blamed the 1500 hour rule when he should be looking to pay his pilots more. Regional first year F/O pay is trending up but is nowhere near where it should be right now.
04-17-2016, 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by WhiskeyKilo
about 250,000 pilots are competing for 72,000 airline jobs
Needs moar cowbell.
04-17-2016, 11:28 AM
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From the article.....
Quote: "Researchers at Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University and the University of North Dakota, using training records from 22 regional airlines, found that newly hired pilots with 1,500 or fewer hours tended to need less training and were less likely to drop out than those with hundreds and even thousands more hours.
“The sweet spot is 700 to 800 hours,” said Elizabeth Bjerke, chairwoman of the aviation department of the University of North Dakota and an author of the study. “At that point they have experience but haven’t developed bad habits. It’s not quantity of hours but quality of hours.”
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So here's a question for ya, Elizabeth Bjerke, (chairwoman of the aviation department of the University of North Dakota):
If 700 - 800 hour "sweet spot" pilots are so superior to more
experienced pilots,........... WHY ARE THE *MAJORS* NOT
CLAMOURING TO HIRE THEM?!?!?!?!?!
It's not a stretch to think that maybe Humpty-Diddle and UND's research may have suffered from some bias(es).
“The sweet spot is 700 to 800 hours,” said Elizabeth Bjerke, chairwoman of the aviation department of the University of North Dakota and an author of the study. “At that point they have experience but haven’t developed bad habits. It’s not quantity of hours but quality of hours.”
************************************************** **********
So here's a question for ya, Elizabeth Bjerke, (chairwoman of the aviation department of the University of North Dakota):
If 700 - 800 hour "sweet spot" pilots are so superior to more
experienced pilots,........... WHY ARE THE *MAJORS* NOT
CLAMOURING TO HIRE THEM?!?!?!?!?!
It's not a stretch to think that maybe Humpty-Diddle and UND's research may have suffered from some bias(es).
04-17-2016, 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Slick111
Quote: "Researchers at Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University and the University of North Dakota, using training records from 22 regional airlines, found that newly hired pilots with 1,500 or fewer hours tended to need less training and were less likely to drop out than those with hundreds and even thousands more hours.
“The sweet spot is 700 to 800 hours,” said Elizabeth Bjerke, chairwoman of the aviation department of the University of North Dakota and an author of the study. “At that point they have experience but haven’t developed bad habits. It’s not quantity of hours but quality of hours.”
************************************************** **********
So here's a question for ya, Elizabeth Bjerke, (chairwoman of the aviation department of the University of North Dakota):
If 700 - 800 hour "sweet spot" pilots are so superior to more
experienced pilots,........... WHY ARE THE *MAJORS* NOT
CLAMOURING TO HIRE THEM?!?!?!?!?!
It's not a stretch to think that maybe Humpty-Diddle and UND's research may have suffered from some bias(es).
“The sweet spot is 700 to 800 hours,” said Elizabeth Bjerke, chairwoman of the aviation department of the University of North Dakota and an author of the study. “At that point they have experience but haven’t developed bad habits. It’s not quantity of hours but quality of hours.”
************************************************** **********
So here's a question for ya, Elizabeth Bjerke, (chairwoman of the aviation department of the University of North Dakota):
If 700 - 800 hour "sweet spot" pilots are so superior to more
experienced pilots,........... WHY ARE THE *MAJORS* NOT
CLAMOURING TO HIRE THEM?!?!?!?!?!
It's not a stretch to think that maybe Humpty-Diddle and UND's research may have suffered from some bias(es).
04-17-2016, 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by RyanP
That "research" she is claiming is the biggest bunch of BS ever.
Yep.
Reminds me of "global warmin"....errrr...."climate change".
04-17-2016, 11:51 AM
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More opportunities now, but not even close to a shortage. Riddle Diddle and UND need to justify there existance. Had a few adult bevys with a consultant to Riddle a few years back and he was telling me at that time, that Riddle wants to appeal to other students than just aviation career seeking students. They are one suited and know it. Eventually the market of kids with parents willing to drop $250k will dry up, just like the regionals.
04-17-2016, 11:54 AM
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I don't buy the "research "...in my new hired class, there was a couple of riddle guys that needed extra training, A LOT !!!!the only thing they would talk about was how hard Riddle was and how tough the school was compared to the carrier... Confronted one of them one day and asked him, so why you need extra sim. Again!?!..one of the wonders was my sim partner...I tried to help him but he was a pighead...+1 with Slick and Say Alt...nothing against cuz am a riddle guy but the product is not there anymore !!!!!
04-17-2016, 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Slick111
Quote: "Researchers at Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University and the University of North Dakota, using training records from 22 regional airlines, found that newly hired pilots with 1,500 or fewer hours tended to need less training and were less likely to drop out than those with hundreds and even thousands more hours.
“The sweet spot is 700 to 800 hours,” said Elizabeth Bjerke, chairwoman of the aviation department of the University of North Dakota and an author of the study. “At that point they have experience but haven’t developed bad habits. It’s not quantity of hours but quality of hours.”
************************************************** **********
So here's a question for ya, Elizabeth Bjerke, (chairwoman of the aviation department of the University of North Dakota):
If 700 - 800 hour "sweet spot" pilots are so superior to more
experienced pilots,........... WHY ARE THE *MAJORS* NOT
CLAMOURING TO HIRE THEM?!?!?!?!?!
It's not a stretch to think that maybe Humpty-Diddle and UND's research may have suffered from some bias(es).
“The sweet spot is 700 to 800 hours,” said Elizabeth Bjerke, chairwoman of the aviation department of the University of North Dakota and an author of the study. “At that point they have experience but haven’t developed bad habits. It’s not quantity of hours but quality of hours.”
************************************************** **********
So here's a question for ya, Elizabeth Bjerke, (chairwoman of the aviation department of the University of North Dakota):
If 700 - 800 hour "sweet spot" pilots are so superior to more
experienced pilots,........... WHY ARE THE *MAJORS* NOT
CLAMOURING TO HIRE THEM?!?!?!?!?!
It's not a stretch to think that maybe Humpty-Diddle and UND's research may have suffered from some bias(es).
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