Now that this politically influenced, bribe accepting, no respect for the working class, piece of ... sorry excuse for a judge decided to once again slap pilots in the face, NOW WHAT HAPPENS?

Apparently, since a strike would stop commerce, that disallows the pilots the RIGHT to strike? I don't understand much about the Railway Labor Act, so please feel free to enlighten me on how EXACTLY that works, but isn't it a union's RIGHT to strike? Isn't that why we have "representation" and unionize?

I am sure we have all said this before while complaining at the fllight levels, but when the price of meat goes up, does McDonald's go to its employees and say, "you need to take a pay cut because the price of meat went up." Or, do they raise the price paid by the consumers? Hmmm...

We can't strike at SkyWest because we are not recognized as an ORGANIZED labor group, correct? So what the heck is the frickin' point of the Railway Labor Act, as well as unions, if something like this judge's decision is allowed to happen? And this isn't the first time! It seems like these judges have been ruling in favor of management since 9/11, gojet not being an alter ego comes to mind, and I thought someone else was not allowed to strike? And of course what they have done to the majors is just sickening. It wouldn't be that bad if the majors are going to get some of it back, but that doesn't seem to likely.

However, it was GREAT to hear that AWAC finally won something in court. So my point with this thread is to perhaps gather some intelligent thoughts on what the next step is. I have heard ALPA is trying to get every airline together??? I don't know if that means we all strike together or what, but has anyone else heard this? Does anyone else think that this will work? It sounds like management has better lawyers than we do - ha! So what are we going to do? Since we are not union, what are they doing to prevent this stuff from happening? Especially Teamsters, you don't hear too much about them in the news. Thanks!

 

Since I'm not that experienced I've asked several times and have yet to get an answer to what's the purpose of a unions ability to stike if the judges can stop it at any point. Also what happens if the pilots just refuse to work but don't call it a strike? Or if they all quit at once? Can they be held accountable for quiting their jobs?

 

No, not at all. The RLA can't force any individual to go to work. If Comair set all pilots pay at $5.15/hr, and they quit, the RLA can't touch 'em.

 

Basically it boils down to the rights of a work group that is protected by the RLA, while that company is in BK proceedings. Which takes precedence? The judge gave several opportunities to ALPA's atty, to show which part of the RLA covers this kind of situation. Unfortunately, our atty did not have anything on his side. He unfortunately did not do all that great in the court room during the last hearing. He did get interrupted by the judge quite a bit, whether or not that played a part in the outcome???

BK proceeding are there to help the creditors, and that is where the judge's alliance is usually going to fall barring some gross miscaluculation by the company and creditors committee.

As a side note, Comair has not imposed their terms! They received a new proposal from ALPA yesterday afternoon and need time to review. The new deadline is Monday at 2359.

 

First of all, this is one of the worst run-on sentences I have ever seen.

Second, you can't pass the buck to the passengers when you're mother (United, Delta, etc) are trying to compete with SWA, jetBlue, and AirTran.

Regionals are expensive! Why do you think most LCC's don't have them, with the exception to SkyWest/Midwest (which will dissolve after the contract).

It's places like jetBlue and Virgin America and SkyBus that lowers the pay for us. And also, places like ALLATPS.

 

EXACTLY!!!!

 

You might as well load a gun and point it at LAFF

 

GO UNIONS! Way to look out for the little guy! HAHAHA

Unions are a joke!!! I have yet to see them do any good for ANY airline Major/Regional, etc... for at least the past 10 years. Maybe it's time to rethink some things.

 

Really? I can think of a lot of good things pilot unions have done the past 10 years.

Also keep in mind a lot of the safety related things that are here today are because of ALPA.

 

Not trying to spark a huge debate or anything..

what about capitalism and a free market economy? Can't you blame that for the pay cuts? I mean do you realy expect companies like jetblue, virgin, skybus to have never started? Its a free market, what did you expect was going to happen?


again i dont want to start a fight but it's just a discussion, i'm just asking quetions to find out what eveyones opinion is. To me it economically makes sense why LCC's are coming up and becoming successful.