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ImperialxRat 03-23-2007 11:48 AM


Originally Posted by de727ups (Post 137999)
I would partly disagree. Emergencies are all you do in the sim so I would expect someone fresh out of training to do okay. It's the real life stuff, like working the radios into LAX without screwing up, that's I'd worry about. You can't train "experience". You can only get it by spending time in the air and learning from your mistakes. That's why the 400 hours, at the beginning of this post, are important.

Well then, if your argument is about briefing an approach properly, or talking on the radios well, then I think it all comes down to the individual, and his/her personal experience. I used to work radios a lot when I worked on a boat...so going into aviation, I actually really enjoyed talking on the radio.

I started doing this photo work job with only 212 hours, and I started in the LAX basin, working right there in the Bravo.

And even though I could talk on a radio well, I definitely wasn't ready to go sit right seat in an airliner...regional or otherwise. Really is a tough call...I guess it really does depend on the individual.



"when the airlines need pilots they reduce the mins. What about the days when Delta etc was hiring with a PPL or with 300 hr TT. Once the pool of these goes dry, pay will go up!"

When my grandfather started with TWA, TWA paid for his instrument and commercial license....thats how badly they needed pilots. He flew for the navy though at the time. But still just goes to show...airlines can and will do what they need to do.

On Autopilot 03-25-2007 04:55 AM

Daytona, that rumor is true. I went to Comair's pilot open house yesterday. They are, however not skimping on the training. I was quite impressed.

CubCAPTAIN 03-25-2007 05:42 AM

Everyone make sure that your family members don't non-rev on Mesa flights. It's easy for them to think it's a safe operation with USAir paint on the airplane.

XJPILOT1 03-25-2007 09:25 AM

Honolulu Star-Bulletin

"Phoenix-based Mesa Air Group had been using 19-seat Beechcraft 1900s, but officials said they waived the 19-seat requirement and selected Pacific Wings because of the communities' dissatisfaction with the service and reliability of Mesa."

Lea County Commissioner Randy McCormick, whose committee represents Hobbs and voted 5-0 on Tuesday for Pacific Wings, said members had received about 200 letters and signatures in support of the change.

"Mesa's been servicing (Hobbs) for 25 years and the cost of the flight to Albuquerque has been unreasonable for a long time," McCormick said. "Mesa has left some people stranded in areas for different reasons. If Pacific Wings can promise half of what they're promising us, then they'll be a better airline than Mesa."

Why be a part of this?

cruiseclimb 03-25-2007 11:17 AM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 119442)
I agree with you philosophically, but the law is crystal clear and a POI doesn't have the authority to add experience reqirements over what the FAR's specify.

Our current commercial license requirements came out of a by-gone era...that level of experience should be limited to what it was originally developed for: smallish, unpressurized, recip airplanes.

Turbine and 121 pilots should have an ATP, period.


I agree 110%... Guys below that line probably won't. I used to think I knew a few things when I was 21 as well :cool: No offense to anyone here.. It takes a few thousand hours to realize how much you don't know.

Baronpilot 03-25-2007 05:57 PM

The Mesa mins I saw today were 500/100.

ImperialxRat 03-25-2007 06:37 PM


Originally Posted by cruiseclimb (Post 139045)
I agree 110%... Guys below that line probably won't. I used to think I knew a few things when I was 21 as well :cool: No offense to anyone here.. It takes a few thousand hours to realize how much you don't know.

I have about 1100TT, but it sounds like a good rule to me. Would ensure better pay at airlines, and it would create more entry level jobs...possibly even lower the cost of training (PPL, Inst, Comm, etc)


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