Delta would lose a few but retain most. They have a bit of clout in the Atlanta area.

The only end of our contract is that we show up for work.

What you're driving at would only make sense on the most mundane levels if, I suppose, DL/UAL/etc pilots didn't show up for work and refused to fly the code that they own. Then perhaps there would be some ability for the company to seek relief. That would technically be possible in a legal self help situation. Technically, but of course it wouldn't work, because they couldn't find 13000 scabs fast enough, and probably not nearly that many at all in any amount of time.

Short of something like that, DALPA owns the DL code WRT who flies it. UAL as well as SWA too, and many others. Not all though, so maybe SKYW can fly those scope jets at some of the places that don't own their own code. That is certainly possible. But then if they did, they would run afoul of DL/UAL pilot code ownership in the first place.

Not only that, but ATL is far from some magic yield gravy train. Its a great place for a large hub, and an ok place for a medium sized focus city. Beyond that, its role as an O&D for the limited directs any carrier could do even if they got several gates is limited, and any hub and spoke flying from ATL to another airlines hub would fade into the vast background of every other network there is because everyone's already doing it.

An arterial plaque ?

I'm just glad he found a new thread to hijack

Sounds like me when talking about leaving the regionals, "easy, I jut need to win the Powerball" LOL!

In my last 3 trips I have had legs of 1,200 and 1,300 NM and flew to 4 different countries, there's not much regional left in those regionals. "Contract airlines".

Well that was straight out of "rules for regional airline manager radicals" :D

Sorry bro, but SKYW isn't going to fly larger RJ's for DL or anyone else for that matter, unless they go it alone. If they do, more power to em! I predict they'll make millions (following the typical recipe for becoming a millionaire in the airlines). :cool:

Exactly how "loose" would this UAL flying become?:eek::rolleyes::confused:

Typing on a phone with spell correct is not my strong suit.

Or, you could attempt to form a cognizant argument explaining your position. Since you refuse to, and resort only to (vague and bizarre) ad hominem attacks, I'm left to assume, based on the rarified tone of the almost random hit and run responses from you, that you don't even have an argument and are just attempting to troll, which is cool. I'm actually enjoying it to a point. I just wish you'd expound on your arguments a bit.

SKYW is not going to get jumbo RJ's or mainline sized planes. That is simply not in their manifest destiny, unless they kill off their existing gravy train code shares and try to do it IndyAir style. That they could at least attempt that. But we all know how that would end.

DL (and UAL and SKYW and many others) own their codes. Its already bought and paid for in their contracts, which never expire, and that aspect of it is not going to change short of a massive "self help" nuclear option by management trying to re-crew an airline with scabs during a legal work stoppage. But that's not going to happen either.

Managements, CEO's, BOD's, shareholders or aircraft manufacturers aren't going to change that. The only other way for it to happen would be if the pilot groups who own their code willingly gave it up, or if a bankruptcy court voided it. While theoretically possible, neither will happen either.

You can maybe be excused for getting lost in the moment of SKYW's meteoric rise from 30 to 50 to 70 to 90 seaters, always growing always reaching for the stars, etc. But that trend vector ends here. You've reached your service ceiling. The only way to continue is to get mainline code for things you are not allowed to fly without going it alone, and that almost definitely won't happen. If it does, best of luck.

But it won't happen within DL, UAL, SWA, AA or many other codes, nor will it happen with them subsidizing them while they attempt it, because their respective pilot groups will not permit it. That is their exclusive decision, because they own and control who flies their code, and what exact terms they do so.

I'm sorry if that makes you feel dabbed on.

Okay, Skywest starts operating the MRJ for Alaska, Alaska scope is the lulz, and Delta pilots file a grievance causing DAL to drop Skywest. Skywest then leases its 27 owned gates in ATL to NAI/ME3, now what? It would be monumentally stupid to cancel your agreement with Skywest under these circumstances.

You claim Skywest owns the gates. That would be unique since no other airline including Delta owns any gates at ATL. They are all leased and the lease agreements include a recapture if the gate is not utilized by the operating airline.

Yes, Skywest subleases the gates they lease from ATL to the airline they choose, which happens to be Delta. Airlines have the option to renew their leases. I'm fully aware of how this process works, including the different categories of gate utilization in ATL, you don't need to keep repeating it.

So wide bodies would start parking in the C & D Concourses? That would knock out several gates per widebody. No customs there either.

Won't happen anyway.

The tiny gates with no customs in the already overflowing at RJ capacity terminals are going to handle 27 gates worth of international wide bodies? :D

That would be fun to watch. And DL would do just fine.

You're really putting on a clinic of how to prove an articulate point.

And the restrooms are soooo small...........:eek:

No, not wide bodies, NAI's subsidized feeder jets.

You keep stating Skywest owns the gates. They don't and subleases must be approved by the ATL airport authority. They don't do that normally. The take back and reissue the gate.

That even assumes that ATL is some golden goose market. Its many multiplies bigger than its O&D demand because the excess is used by DL (and a lesser extent SWA) as an arbitrary hub. First of all there is zero chance anywhere close to that total number of gates would go to the feeders of ME3 and NAI scab FoC type airlines. It would probably be a small fraction of that. DL would likely end up with a significant amount anyway, and most of the rest would go to so called LCC's that don't code share with the vermin airlines you mentioned.

IOW, empty threat. Oh, and to any extent that SKYW actually has a say, which is very little BTW, DL would easily be the highest bidder for most of those gates, which they would desperately need the money from (again, even assuming they had much of a say) because if they did that then by definition they were losing a massive amount of their revenue and guaranteed profits. There is zero chance (again, even if they had a say) that they would pass up more money in order to try and harm a DL out of hubris.

Not worried about it in the slightest. But SKYW should be.

Again what is your point?

DL already has a large SWA presence in ATL, and as you know they are a fierce competitor. DL has done quite well against them. Any 27 gate new entrant would have to fight a two front war. It would actually be more than that for them, because they would have to go for the higher frequency routes and therefore also butt heads against ALG and Frontier and JB etc, so on the routes they would most likely do, they'd face razor thin margins.

And again, there is absolute zero chance a SKYW termination would result in all the gates going to a single new entrant airline. No chance at all. While you may relish the thought of an outgoing revenge strike on DL for blocking your ultra large RJ manifest destiny, its just not going to happen.

SKYW will only be permitted to operate your dream planes if they do it IndyAir style. And we all know how that will end up.

I don't mind the SKYW partnership at all. They are a good regional jet provider for sure. As long as they can keep their perf numbers up and stay within the hard limits of the DL and UAL agreements (to include pilot scope), great!

BTW DL didn't have a problem with SKYW flying for UAL as long as they could hold up their end of the PWA compliant CPA's. Up until now SKYW has run a good operation and have been able to do so. I'll give them credit for that all day long and have no issue with them as long as they stay within the constraints of what we permit them to do, which they will.

You sound more like a SKYW manager than a pilot, but either way that's cool. DL has dealt with managers with loftier ambitions than yours in the past (CMR, ACA, etc) and will do so again when necessary. Sorry to inform you that you will not be getting larger RJ's though. It simply will not be permitted. You will have to remain within the limits set by your existing CPA's and unionized pilot PWA's.

The size, weight and seat count is simply not going up for you. Sorry. The only thing that may happen is some kind of trade for more 76's in exchange for fewer 50's or 70's on a net seat/BH loss basis. We'll see what the next round of mainline PWA's does WRT that, but even that small carrot isn't looking good. But even if you do get that, you'll have to shrink to get it.

If it was going to happen it would have happened in this round of negotiations. This was when it was critical to launch the new airframes. Embraer has already acknowledged that nothing is going to change and put of the new version of the E175.

Mark my words: you will never get your scope jets. Sorry bro. I know you think all trends continue forever. If that were true, then SKYW will become the new airline world order and fly every plane for every airline in existence. All trends continue, right? Every time you takeoff, you are accelerating at a rapid rate and will go super sonic in a matter of minutes! Oh wait, there's reality. The same reality that will prevent SKYW from becoming what you want it to become.

So you're either a very senior/lifer pilot or a manager at SKYW. That's cool. I assure you your counterparts at CMR, ACA and other places had ambitions every bit as lofty as yours. So far we are several contracts deep into the "hold the line" mentality on your upper end. IMO the only relief you'll see is if you shrink to fly fewer RJ's already in your allowed range at the expense of more on the lower end. IOW you will have to shrink to get even that.

SKYW was hardly a revolutionary with their UAL deal. Other regionals operated for more than one partner. I know you think JA is the dominant genius of the industry; many thought the same about CMR and ACA managers as well. But I agree that he is smart. Smart enough to know that his ambitions stop here, and he's better off taking his guaranteed profits and staying in his place.

Not going to happen. I hope you didn't get a bunch of stock options based on that.

And you keep pretending SKYW is the little engine that could, always growing, always flying bigger planes, to infinity and beyond!

Why would SKYW being forever limited to current seat and weight limits to fly DL and UAL code as determined by the pilot groups who own their codes bother me? You are limited, unless we chose to permit you otherwise. Spoiler alert: we will not permit you otherwise. The koolaid must be hella strong in SGU.

Yet they didn't find that way.

No.

You're clearly a SKYW fanboy, which, in and of itself, I have no problem with. Like I said, they are a quality regional operator and run a fairly good show. I give them credit for that. Every place has lifers, and the "lost decade" has put more in that position than otherwise would have happened. So I get that.

But the fact remains that they will not be permitted to operate larger equipment outside of a massive scope sale or an IndyAir style, all in gamble. The scope sale isn't going to happen. Your ride to the stars stops with the 76 seaters at current weights. Its possible to get more, but only as a result of horse trading for a greater reduction at the lower end, or perhaps a new deal with AS/VX or even picking up some flying currently done by other regionals.

You will not be getting larger equipment from DL. That ship has sailed. If you find another way, it puts your entire DCI partnership at risk, which is why your friend JA won't do it. SKYW grew a lot because they got their pilots to "deal them an ace" when they needed it the most. But don't expect any cards under the table from DALPA. You won't be getting any.