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Casualinterest 01-07-2018 06:30 PM


Originally Posted by MileHi (Post 2497697)
Endeavor pilots can be junior assigned up to 2 times per month and 8 times per year. They also regularly perform airport ready reserve. Endeavor Co basing makes it challenging for commuters requiring a crash pad. Also, min days off for EDV lineholders is 11. EDV has no trip and duty rigs. Throw in a lower per diem with a lower min day pay credit. This is in addition to 30% lower Healthcare premiums at republic with higher company HSA contributions. These are several areas that not only affect the pilot's pocketbook but also their QOL. I would hope in this day and age, pilots realize that other factors weigh on a pilot's W-2 and QOL and not just pay rates. If you don't believe me, how bout this. Suggest to Republic pilots that they should give up all gains in all the areas their contact is superior to EDV including the soft pay they fought so hard for. In exchange, they get Endeavor rates immediately. Keep in mind though, that their offer currently on the table already does that for captains at year 16+ and for all the other captains in less than 2 years. I understand the temptation, but most pilots are smart enough these days to look beyond just the page with pay rates.

Fwiw, I've never been JM. I don't know anyone who has been JM in the last year. I've never even heard of someone getting JM in the two years I've been at 9E. Please don't make it sound like you know us and what it's like to work for us. I've also never once got less than 15 days off since I've been here. Looking through the bid pack, I'm having a hard time finding people who only get 11 days off that didn't want it. Co basing isn't challenging at all for commuters needing a crash pad since the company pays for a free shuttle that runs between the airports and makes a stop in kew. That's over 100k per year they spend to run that daily shuttle for us. And very soon they will convert it into a corporate Lyft acct like the Delta FA's have. As was said, you can bid to start in whatever base you like and you have to finish in that base.

In exchange we got positive space to work. Better reserve rules, long call, higher min day pay for reserves. And a bunc,h more.

One thing you did get right, we do have Ready reserve, and it sucks. Nail on the head with that.

And you're also right that we don't have trip or duty rigs. But tbh, we don't need them. Our trips are built pretty well and we have lots of diversity. Btw, not so secret secret.... Our 5 day trips are trip rigged to 5 hours of credit. That makes a 5 day worth 25 min.

And yea, his averages are insanely off. Average awarded is much higher. It doesn't take much mathematics to see that it would be impossible to have a 76 hour awarded line average with a 75 hour guarantee. You would need 1000 people getting awarded min to offset 100 guys getting high credit lines.

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TheWeatherman 01-07-2018 07:28 PM

How come I have a feeling that Endevor's recruiting department has been spamming Republic's threads for the past few months?

seattlepilot 01-07-2018 08:12 PM

Don't make the mistake of signing in a CBA of expansion times, get the language of recession times now. Just because Endeavor doesn't use JM, doesn't mean they won't use it when the time comes. Get it in writing.

Just because rah doesn't use ready reserve, doesn't mean it won't come to you. Get it in writing.

People of 2003 rah CBA or PSA people with the concessionary CBA agreed on 4 year pay rates because everyone was upgrading less than that. We know how well that worked for fos locked on Club 36.62.

I like some of the improvements on this TA , it is not at a level to attract and retain pilots.

If people with 17 year seniority are filling up right seat, that means there is something wrong with the hiring at RAH.

Geardownflaps30 01-07-2018 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by ORD170 (Post 2497637)

Could it be because a company parrot who was pushing for LBFO last time around was appointed into the NC ? Could it be because another pilot who lived at the HQ by doing interviews while we were in contract negotations is in the NC ?

You put management friendly people in the NC , you get management friendly TA.



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Yup. That could be it!!

Dorp 01-08-2018 03:06 AM


Originally Posted by TheWeatherman (Post 2497946)
How come I have a feeling that Endevor's recruiting department has been spamming Republic's threads for the past few months?

We could say the same about MileHi when it comes to his discussion of our operation. We’re just defending ourselves and clearing the intentionally muddied waters. It’s obvious the drawbacks of our contract are being used as a punching bag to sell this TA, much like the “it’s just a temporary bonus, they can take it away at any time” argument was used by OO management to sell their TA.

Casualinterest 01-08-2018 03:06 AM


Originally Posted by TheWeatherman (Post 2497946)
How come I have a feeling that Endevor's recruiting department has been spamming Republic's threads for the past few months?

Nope. Me personally, I've got friends at republic and want you guys to get a good deal. And I try not to post on other company's boards unless I see someone telling tales about us then I try and step in to correct the nonsense. You guys have some great provisions in your contract that we don't have, but if you want more you should get it.

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TheWeatherman 01-08-2018 06:09 AM


Originally Posted by Dorp (Post 2497998)
We could say the same about MileHi when it comes to his discussion of our operation. We’re just defending ourselves and clearing the intentionally muddied waters. It’s obvious the drawbacks of our contract are being used as a punching bag to sell this TA, much like the “it’s just a temporary bonus, they can take it away at any time” argument was used by OO management to sell their TA.

No, we know MileHi is involved with the negotiations somehow and has personal interest in the TA being signed. Just a lot of Endeavor folks over here the last few months, even before this talk of a new contract. You would think the place is better to work for than a mainline by all you posters. Smells fishy if you ask me.

ORD170 01-08-2018 07:11 AM


Originally Posted by TheWeatherman (Post 2497946)
How come I have a feeling that Endevor's recruiting department has been spamming Republic's threads for the past few months?

Maybe. Please don’t make any decisions about this TA from info you receive on this forum. Talk to other pilots on the line, and look at the TA itself. Unlimited new hire bonuses are the biggest danger to your career at Republic. Nothing to prevent Republic from giving scholarships out to HS students, and having them sign a 10 year contract. Don’t let fear make the decision for you.

Ihatepilots 01-08-2018 07:39 AM

I never thought I’d join a forum but this is pure comedy how this is a urinating (censorship) match between endeavor and rah forum nerds... I’m sure 99% of the people here can be spotted at overnight bars/restaurants because all they talk about is work... just vote how you’re gonna vote and shut up about it... stop trying to convince people to vote the same as you or act like you’re prophets that know what’s gonna happen to the industry because of a stupid TA

TheWeatherman 01-08-2018 07:47 AM


Originally Posted by Ihatepilots (Post 2498086)
I never thought I’d join a forum but this is pure comedy how this is a urinating (censorship) match between endeavor and rah forum nerds... I’m sure 99% of the people here can be spotted at overnight bars/restaurants because all they talk about is work... just vote how you’re gonna vote and shut up about it... stop trying to convince people to vote the same as you or act like you’re prophets that know what’s gonna happen to the industry because of a stupid TA

yo what up stan!


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