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MileHi 01-07-2018 10:53 AM


Originally Posted by Squak1200 (Post 2497679)
I have no idea where you guys are getting the notion that 9E is junior manning pilots. That is not true, at all.

Endeavor pilots can be junior assigned up to 2 times per month and 8 times per year. They also regularly perform airport ready reserve. Endeavor Co basing makes it challenging for commuters requiring a crash pad. Also, min days off for EDV lineholders is 11. EDV has no trip and duty rigs. Throw in a lower per diem with a lower min day pay credit. This is in addition to 30% lower Healthcare premiums at republic with higher company HSA contributions. These are several areas that not only affect the pilot's pocketbook but also their QOL. I would hope in this day and age, pilots realize that other factors weigh on a pilot's W-2 and QOL and not just pay rates. If you don't believe me, how bout this. Suggest to Republic pilots that they should give up all gains in all the areas their contact is superior to EDV including the soft pay they fought so hard for. In exchange, they get Endeavor rates immediately. Keep in mind though, that their offer currently on the table already does that for captains at year 16+ and for all the other captains in less than 2 years. I understand the temptation, but most pilots are smart enough these days to look beyond just the page with pay rates.

TurbineTime 01-07-2018 11:04 AM

[QUOTE=ORD170;2497637]

Originally Posted by MileHi (Post 2497620)



I knew Republic would not get 9E rates, but they need to do better then this offer. Also I think many of us are concerned about why the local is pushing this so hard.


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Mergers and Acquisitions. The union is hinting at this hard on FB. Adding the MRJ 170 to group 2 aircraft and streamlining the process to integrate certificates leads me to believe RAH management is planning on going shopping again...

CRJ All Day 01-07-2018 11:09 AM


Originally Posted by MileHi (Post 2497697)
Endeavor pilots can be junior assigned up to 2 times per month and 8 times per year. They also regularly perform airport ready reserve. Endeavor Co basing makes it challenging for commuters requiring a crash pad. Also, min days off for EDV lineholders is 11. EDV has no trip and duty rigs. Throw in a lower per diem with a lower min day pay credit. This is in addition to 30% lower Healthcare premiums at republic with higher company HSA contributions. These are several areas that not only affect the pilot's pocketbook but also their QOL. I would hope in this day and age, pilots realize that other factors weigh on a pilot's W-2 and QOL and not just pay rates. If you don't believe me, how bout this. Suggest to Republic pilots that they should give up all gains in all the areas their contact is superior to EDV including the soft pay they fought so hard for. In exchange, they get Endeavor rates immediately. Keep in mind though, that their offer currently on the table already does that for captains at year 16+ and for all the other captains in less than 2 years. I understand the temptation, but most pilots are smart enough these days to look beyond just the page with pay rates.

If you are a lineholder you won't get 11 days off unless you bid for it. Least I have had is 14 and usually 16-19 off is normal. And I have been here over a year and a half and was junior manned once at 200%.

DirkDiggler 01-07-2018 11:10 AM

This is the beauty of free market economics. Only you guys can set the value of your labor.

IATA forecasts global industry net profit to rise to $38.4 billion in 2018.

It's up to you guys to keep the bar held high. They can afford to pay up.

MileHi 01-07-2018 11:12 AM

[QUOTE=TurbineTime;2497701]

Originally Posted by ORD170 (Post 2497637)

Mergers and Acquisitions. The union is hinting at this hard on FB. Adding the MRJ 170 to group 2 aircraft and streamlining the process to integrate certificates leads me to believe RAH management is planning on going shopping again...


It's been long believed that regional consolidation is imminent. This will obviously be happening amongst the NON-wholly owneds. Assuming this starts happening soon, the airlines with the best operational reliability will be the kingmakers. It would be best for everyone if those airlines also had the best pilot contracts. Consolidation will put a pause in the near/mid-term for contract improvements. The last any of us need is more Mesas in this world.

MileHi 01-07-2018 11:18 AM


Originally Posted by CRJ All Day (Post 2497705)
If you are a lineholder you won't get 11 days off unless you bid for it. Least I have had is 14 and usually 16-19 off is normal. And I have been here over a year and a half and was junior manned once at 200%.

Sounds like you Endeavor guys need to get your stories straight. First a guy says there's no junior manning, then you prove him wrong. I stated 11 days off is the contractual minimum for endeavor lineholders vs 12 at republic. This is another fact you confirmed. Also, the AVERAGE line credit at Endeavor is 76 hours with 14 off vs 87 hours at republic. These are factual averages. YMMV. Junior manning is irrelevant when your family life suffers.

ORD170 01-07-2018 11:31 AM

[QUOTE=MileHi;2497708]

Originally Posted by TurbineTime (Post 2497701)





It's been long believed that regional consolidation is imminent. This will obviously be happening amongst the NON-wholly owneds. Assuming this starts happening soon, the airlines with the best operational reliability will be the kingmakers. It would be best for everyone if those airlines also had the best pilot contracts. Consolidation will put a pause in the near/mid-term for contract improvements. The last any of us need is more Mesas in this world.


Please stop spreading fear! That may work with some of the news guys, but most of the pilot group is united. Very sad when your elected union sounds like management! This sounds like the mythical McKean facts.


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ORD170 01-07-2018 11:36 AM


Originally Posted by MileHi (Post 2497713)
Sounds like you Endeavor guys need to get your stories straight. First a guy says there's no junior manning, then you prove him wrong. I stated 11 days off is the contractual minimum for endeavor lineholders vs 12 at republic. This is another fact you confirmed. Also, the AVERAGE line credit at Endeavor is 76 hours with 14 off vs 87 hours at republic. These are factual averages. YMMV. Junior manning is irrelevant when your family life suffers.



Maybe you can find out what hotels 9E uses? At Republic we see a lot of La Quinta and choice hotels. Hotels have decreased in quality since the last contract. How does this new TA impact the hotels?


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DirkDiggler 01-07-2018 11:37 AM

It looks like you guys have a few management people on your forums trying to sell your TA hard. MileHi especially.

Unless somebody does a side by side costing of Republic's TA and Endeavor's CBA, which takes about a week to do, it's all hearsay and conjecture.

Squak1200 01-07-2018 11:41 AM


Originally Posted by MileHi (Post 2497697)
Endeavor pilots can be junior assigned up to 2 times per month and 8 times per year. They also regularly perform airport ready reserve. Endeavor Co basing makes it challenging for commuters requiring a crash pad. Also, min days off for EDV lineholders is 11. EDV has no trip and duty rigs. Throw in a lower per diem with a lower min day pay credit. This is in addition to 30% lower Healthcare premiums at republic with higher company HSA contributions. These are several areas that not only affect the pilot's pocketbook but also their QOL. I would hope in this day and age, pilots realize that other factors weigh on a pilot's W-2 and QOL and not just pay rates. If you don't believe me, how bout this. Suggest to Republic pilots that they should give up all gains in all the areas their contact is superior to EDV including the soft pay they fought so hard for. In exchange, they get Endeavor rates immediately. Keep in mind though, that their offer currently on the table already does that for captains at year 16+ and for all the other captains in less than 2 years. I understand the temptation, but most pilots are smart enough these days to look beyond just the page with pay rates.

I dont even know where to start. But you know what, go ahead and vote this in. Good luck to you all !


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