Republic Deceiving ATP-CTP Practices!
03-22-2018 | 12:59 AM
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As others have tried to point out until they're blue in the face, you're getting something for nothing. What would you have said in the days when people paid for their type rating out of pocket just to get a job?
No sugar / no salt:
There is a certain amount of cynicism that is healthy in this industry. It will keep you legal and out of the weeds. There is also a certain amount that is unhealthy. It will keep you up at night irritated at your employer for the things they do that you don't like. It will ruin your QOL and make you bitter. It will make you that angry Captain or whiny FO that no one wants to fly with. Choosing the right balance of cynicism makes the difference between your being a great professional pilot who's fun to work with and being high on your coworkers' avoid lists.
You're just starting out, so you have the choice of which kind of pilot you want to be. I sincerely hope you make the right choice. It will impact your future.
No sugar / no salt:
There is a certain amount of cynicism that is healthy in this industry. It will keep you legal and out of the weeds. There is also a certain amount that is unhealthy. It will keep you up at night irritated at your employer for the things they do that you don't like. It will ruin your QOL and make you bitter. It will make you that angry Captain or whiny FO that no one wants to fly with. Choosing the right balance of cynicism makes the difference between your being a great professional pilot who's fun to work with and being high on your coworkers' avoid lists.
You're just starting out, so you have the choice of which kind of pilot you want to be. I sincerely hope you make the right choice. It will impact your future.
03-22-2018 | 01:14 AM
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The point many of you are missing is that you should never pay for or be taxed on training, this is training required for your job so it should be not be an expense for you in any way.
In addition, most all answers seen to overlook the point I am trying to make which is deceive potential pilots by false advertisement on what they pay you as a benefit.
Why are the points mentioned above so hard for some of you to understand and sympathize with? We are professionals and as such we shouldn't let some in the industry take advantage of us by making false promises they modify to their advantage.
This is simply not professional from any corporation regardless of the industry they are conducting business at.
Go ask any other professionals in any other field and perhaps you can appreciate the basis on what I am making these statements on before you jump in and defend their deceiving practices
In addition, most all answers seen to overlook the point I am trying to make which is deceive potential pilots by false advertisement on what they pay you as a benefit.
Why are the points mentioned above so hard for some of you to understand and sympathize with? We are professionals and as such we shouldn't let some in the industry take advantage of us by making false promises they modify to their advantage.
This is simply not professional from any corporation regardless of the industry they are conducting business at.
Go ask any other professionals in any other field and perhaps you can appreciate the basis on what I am making these statements on before you jump in and defend their deceiving practices
(Sarcasm alert...insert your favorite sarcasm emoji here)
However, I’m certain your parents are very proud of you.
03-22-2018 | 04:32 AM
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From: Downwind, headed straight for the rocks, shanghaied aboard the ship of fools.
First time looking for a real job, Rxsanche? Do hospitals pay doctors for their degrees? Do law firms pay lawyers for law school? Why should you get free entry level qualifications from an airline? And yet you are and you’re griping about paying taxes on the value of that free training to a bunch of people who came to the airlines with far far more experience when in your shoes and who started out making far far less. You might try being grateful that you’re starting out at the best time ever in commercial aviation.
03-22-2018 | 09:00 AM
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Not true, I knew somebody who had their request of a class date moved back a couple weeks so he could attend a wedding. This was after he completed his CPT course.
You only have to pay back the full price of CPT if you fail training before the end of IOE and get terminated. Or if you choose to leave for somewhere else by a certain time period. These are standard across the industry.
Anybody out there have been able to successfully write this off as an educational cost?
Not sure why you created two threads about this.
You only have to pay back the full price of CPT if you fail training before the end of IOE and get terminated. Or if you choose to leave for somewhere else by a certain time period. These are standard across the industry.
Anybody out there have been able to successfully write this off as an educational cost?
Not sure why you created two threads about this.
03-22-2018 | 09:44 AM
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This industry is so backwards. This whole returning income that you’ve been taxed on if you leave for whatever reason before a certain time is insane. If an athlete gets a signing bonus they don’t give it back if they leave the team for whatever reason. But pilots are stupid and agree to all of this.
03-22-2018 | 02:00 PM
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At ExpressJet the CTP is conducted in-house and is considered part of your new hire training and you're considered an employee while attending it. I think they even gave me training pay while I was in it. After the course you're considered "terminated" and then "re-hired" on the first day of actual training. So under my profile there's an original hire date and an adjusted hire date.
03-23-2018 | 08:36 AM
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At ExpressJet the CTP is conducted in-house and is considered part of your new hire training and you're considered an employee while attending it. I think they even gave me training pay while I was in it. After the course you're considered "terminated" and then "re-hired" on the first day of actual training. So under my profile there's an original hire date and an adjusted hire date.
03-26-2018 | 12:02 AM
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What’s next, complaining about a 1099 when they start paying for your commercial?
An ATP written is required by your company, and they paid a contractor to enroll you in a course to get you to the minimum qualifications.
An ATP written is required by your company, and they paid a contractor to enroll you in a course to get you to the minimum qualifications.
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