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Old 10-18-2018, 04:15 PM
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This is what most people don't seem to understand.
Yep the 100 aircraft were to replace XRs and now that UAL can't do that this order is likely in limbo unless BB can find someplace else for them.
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Old 10-18-2018, 04:22 PM
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They never officially signed a purchase order for the 100 aircraft. The Letter of Intent isn’t a purchase order, and we don’t know what the fine print on the Letter of Intent says. I’m not surprised we haven’t seen any additional info on this issue, because it’s a great recruiting tool. Worst case for republic is being over staffed on the FO side, which will correct itself in 6 months. Our FO attrition far outpaces our captain attrition. Consolidation could mean something besides acquisition...
All of this, including the MOU with TSA was conditional waiting on all the pieces to fall into place. Unfortunately for this deal UAL couldn't come through with the final piece that would allow replacement of the XRs so it all fell apart, for now.

BB really, really wants Compass so there is always a chance this could be revisited, but I don't think there is a chance in France he is going to fly the XRs long term, and Hulas won't sell unless he dumps it all. So unless something changes or UAL magically finds a way to get scope relief, the deal is dead.
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Old 10-18-2018, 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Viking6 View Post
They never officially signed a purchase order for the 100 aircraft. The Letter of Intent isn’t a purchase order, and we don’t know what the fine print on the Letter of Intent says. I’m not surprised we haven’t seen any additional info on this issue, because it’s a great recruiting tool. Worst case for republic is being over staffed on the FO side, which will correct itself in 6 months. Our FO attrition far outpaces our captain attrition. Consolidation could mean something besides acquisition...
Where are the FO’s going? Any data on that?
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Old 10-18-2018, 06:46 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyingKat View Post
All of this, including the MOU with TSA was conditional waiting on all the pieces to fall into place. Unfortunately for this deal UAL couldn't come through with the final piece that would allow replacement of the XRs so it all fell apart, for now.

BB really, really wants Compass so there is always a chance this could be revisited, but I don't think there is a chance in France he is going to fly the XRs long term, and Hulas won't sell unless he dumps it all. So unless something changes or UAL magically finds a way to get scope relief, the deal is dead.
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Old 10-19-2018, 06:49 AM
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Originally Posted by 05Duramax View Post
Where are the FO’s going? Any data on that?
Mostly ULLC/ LCC, and the military guys move on to the big 6. Some also go to ACMIs. Very few make a lateral move to another regional.
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Old 10-19-2018, 07:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Longhornmaniac8 View Post
Makes sense. The flip side of it (and the unknown) is what will happen as mainline retirements start accelerating. We're at the very beginning of the bell curve for that, and it stands to reason that as that starts picking up, there will be more rapid, organic movement through all of the regionals, and Republic will be no exception to that.
I’m not trying to be a pessimist, but we’ve been hearing that for years. It’s like we’re all waiting for the second coming to happen. Most of the retirements are going to peak around 2023, with United being around 2027 (I think). Don’t get me wrong, I absolutely hope something happens, but when less than 10 pure-civilian pilots get hired at Delta from Republic so far in 2018, it’s not exactly easy to be optimistic.
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Old 10-19-2018, 08:11 AM
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I’m not trying to be a pessimist, but we’ve been hearing that for years. It’s like we’re all waiting for the second coming to happen. Most of the retirements are going to peak around 2023, with United being around 2027 (I think). Don’t get me wrong, I absolutely hope something happens, but when less than 10 pure-civilian pilots get hired at Delta from Republic so far in 2018, it’s not exactly easy to be optimistic.
AA announced they are hiring 1,000 in 2019. They have traditionally come pretty close to their goals. The WOs aren’t likely to increase the amount of pilots flowing for the immediate future (though that may change) so that means more off the street hires. AA is retiring over 75% of its current seniority list by 2032. Anyone hired in the next 4-5 years can expect a 3-5 year wait for right seat of a widebody and about 4-6 years to upgrade to CA on a narrow body...
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AA announced they are hiring 1,000 in 2019. They have traditionally come pretty close to their goals. The WOs aren’t likely to increase the amount of pilots flowing for the immediate future (though that may change) so that means more off the street hires. AA is retiring over 75% of its current seniority list by 2032. Anyone hired in the next 4-5 years can expect a 3-5 year wait for right seat of a widebody and about 4-6 years to upgrade to CA on a narrow body...
Those numbers look good on paper, but reality says something else. 10 people from Republic have been hired at AA this year, and all of them are prior military.
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Old 10-19-2018, 09:56 AM
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Yeah, but those numbers mean nothing unless they are compared with other non wholly owned Regionals
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Old 10-19-2018, 11:39 AM
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"In addition, the Company continues to work on finalizing its recent LoI signed at the Farnborough Airshow for 100 E175 aircraft for Republic Airways, with the expectation that a significant portion of these jets should enter the Company's backlog by the end of 2018."

https://www.prnewswire.com/news-rele...300734282.html

Also looks like Skywest backed out of its order of 100 175 E2's.
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