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12-14-2018, 06:54 PM
#111
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Joined APC: Jul 2018
Position: Embraer 170/175 First Officer
Posts: 62
Originally Posted by Cobra Commander
Dude, will you please chill with your “I love unions” stuff? Its great that you do but no one cares. And them not being unionized affects us 0%. Lets just worry about us.
12-14-2018, 09:48 PM
#113
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2017
Posts: 151
Originally Posted by UnderCenter
So you respond to me by being dramatic, so screw it I’ll be a little dramatic as well.
So just to make sure we are on the same page, instead of going to OO to live in base in DFW, I should go to Envoy or Mesa (ALPA)? Looks like their union has done great things for them. Remind me again what their pay scales and work rules look like?
Or maybe I should commute to GoJet, CommuteAir, TSA, PSA, Piedmont...etc. Those companies Unions have totally done great things for their contracts. Or maybe I should commute or move to fly for republic or endeavor, I’m sure that will be great for my QOL given their contract. Living in NY or some crap outstation would be fantastic.
But hey, its OO not having a union that is dragging everyone down.
Look, do I support OO becoming unionized, yes I do, but to dump on OO as “bringing everyone down” while they just put through a contract that is better than a majority of regionals while overlooking multiple unionized regionals with crappy contracts is ridiculous. Why don’t you get on your fellow unionized carriers for not bringing up the bar? It honestly is more detrimental to your cause than OO not having one.
So just to make sure we are on the same page, instead of going to OO to live in base in DFW, I should go to Envoy or Mesa (ALPA)? Looks like their union has done great things for them. Remind me again what their pay scales and work rules look like?
Or maybe I should commute to GoJet, CommuteAir, TSA, PSA, Piedmont...etc. Those companies Unions have totally done great things for their contracts. Or maybe I should commute or move to fly for republic or endeavor, I’m sure that will be great for my QOL given their contract. Living in NY or some crap outstation would be fantastic.
But hey, its OO not having a union that is dragging everyone down.
Look, do I support OO becoming unionized, yes I do, but to dump on OO as “bringing everyone down” while they just put through a contract that is better than a majority of regionals while overlooking multiple unionized regionals with crappy contracts is ridiculous. Why don’t you get on your fellow unionized carriers for not bringing up the bar? It honestly is more detrimental to your cause than OO not having one.
All regional airlines try to figure out how to have enough pilots to make the operation sustainable at the lowest possible labor cost. Yes, there are airlines with unions with horrid pay structures. There are reasons they can do that.
The AA WO carriers can pay below industry pay because the flow to AA is a benefit, it is part of compensation.
The TSA, GoJet, etc of the industry offer huge bonuses so they attract people that need money now, for student loans, house payments, whatever.
The CommutAir, XJT, etc give you a path to United.
Endeavor decided they were going to get ahead of the "shortage" and offer industry leading pay. They in turn have no shortage. A refreshing forward looking management in my opinion.
Odd men out are the likes of Republic and Skywest. The biggest regionals who can't offer a clear path to a major. Republic decided to offer an industry leading pay package and work rules. I'm guessing that had more to do with the industry than the union. They also have no shortage. Look at how far out their classes are. People are dying to come to Republic. Republic was never on my radar until I started looking at their equipment, pay, and work rules (no junior manning, ask Skywest if they will do that for you). Skywest had to come up with a better pay package to compete. Yet, you can get right in a CRJ class at Skywest.
The thing really driving pay is pilots going to Endevor and Republic, that is what is rising everyone's pay and QOL.
However, when it comes down to it, we all do a job that is one honest mistake from it being all over. All things equal I'll take a company that gives me the security of a union fighting on my behalf if I'm ever in that position. Skywest doesn't offer that. And all the BS about how Skywest is like a union, give me a break. Any company will screw you any chance they get, I'll take a real union over a faux union bought and paid for by the company.
My two cents.
Last edited by 05Duramax; 12-14-2018 at 09:58 PM.
12-31-2018, 03:11 PM
#114
Gets Weekends Off
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Joined APC: Nov 2015
Position: Metal brackets
Posts: 190
Originally Posted by 05Duramax
As in everything in the current climate of the U.S. this is being turned into a too simplistic argument.
All regional airlines try to figure out how to have enough pilots to make the operation sustainable at the lowest possible labor cost. Yes, there are airlines with unions with horrid pay structures. There are reasons they can do that.
The AA WO carriers can pay below industry pay because the flow to AA is a benefit, it is part of compensation.
The TSA, GoJet, etc of the industry offer huge bonuses so they attract people that need money now, for student loans, house payments, whatever.
The CommutAir, XJT, etc give you a path to United.
Endeavor decided they were going to get ahead of the "shortage" and offer industry leading pay. They in turn have no shortage. A refreshing forward looking management in my opinion.
Odd men out are the likes of Republic and Skywest. The biggest regionals who can't offer a clear path to a major. Republic decided to offer an industry leading pay package and work rules. I'm guessing that had more to do with the industry than the union. They also have no shortage. Look at how far out their classes are. People are dying to come to Republic. Republic was never on my radar until I started looking at their equipment, pay, and work rules (no junior manning, ask Skywest if they will do that for you). Skywest had to come up with a better pay package to compete. Yet, you can get right in a CRJ class at Skywest.
The thing really driving pay is pilots going to Endevor and Republic, that is what is rising everyone's pay and QOL.
However, when it comes down to it, we all do a job that is one honest mistake from it being all over. All things equal I'll take a company that gives me the security of a union fighting on my behalf if I'm ever in that position. Skywest doesn't offer that. And all the BS about how Skywest is like a union, give me a break. Any company will screw you any chance they get, I'll take a real union over a faux union bought and paid for by the company.
My two cents.
All regional airlines try to figure out how to have enough pilots to make the operation sustainable at the lowest possible labor cost. Yes, there are airlines with unions with horrid pay structures. There are reasons they can do that.
The AA WO carriers can pay below industry pay because the flow to AA is a benefit, it is part of compensation.
The TSA, GoJet, etc of the industry offer huge bonuses so they attract people that need money now, for student loans, house payments, whatever.
The CommutAir, XJT, etc give you a path to United.
Endeavor decided they were going to get ahead of the "shortage" and offer industry leading pay. They in turn have no shortage. A refreshing forward looking management in my opinion.
Odd men out are the likes of Republic and Skywest. The biggest regionals who can't offer a clear path to a major. Republic decided to offer an industry leading pay package and work rules. I'm guessing that had more to do with the industry than the union. They also have no shortage. Look at how far out their classes are. People are dying to come to Republic. Republic was never on my radar until I started looking at their equipment, pay, and work rules (no junior manning, ask Skywest if they will do that for you). Skywest had to come up with a better pay package to compete. Yet, you can get right in a CRJ class at Skywest.
The thing really driving pay is pilots going to Endevor and Republic, that is what is rising everyone's pay and QOL.
However, when it comes down to it, we all do a job that is one honest mistake from it being all over. All things equal I'll take a company that gives me the security of a union fighting on my behalf if I'm ever in that position. Skywest doesn't offer that. And all the BS about how Skywest is like a union, give me a break. Any company will screw you any chance they get, I'll take a real union over a faux union bought and paid for by the company.
My two cents.
01-01-2019, 12:23 PM
#115
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Joined APC: Aug 2018
Posts: 44
Originally Posted by 05Duramax
As in everything in the current climate of the U.S. this is being turned into a too simplistic argument.
All regional airlines try to figure out how to have enough pilots to make the operation sustainable at the lowest possible labor cost. Yes, there are airlines with unions with horrid pay structures. There are reasons they can do that.
The AA WO carriers can pay below industry pay because the flow to AA is a benefit, it is part of compensation.
The TSA, GoJet, etc of the industry offer huge bonuses so they attract people that need money now, for student loans, house payments, whatever.
The CommutAir, XJT, etc give you a path to United.
Endeavor decided they were going to get ahead of the "shortage" and offer industry leading pay. They in turn have no shortage. A refreshing forward looking management in my opinion.
Odd men out are the likes of Republic and Skywest. The biggest regionals who can't offer a clear path to a major. Republic decided to offer an industry leading pay package and work rules. I'm guessing that had more to do with the industry than the union. They also have no shortage. Look at how far out their classes are. People are dying to come to Republic. Republic was never on my radar until I started looking at their equipment, pay, and work rules (no junior manning, ask Skywest if they will do that for you). Skywest had to come up with a better pay package to compete. Yet, you can get right in a CRJ class at Skywest.
The thing really driving pay is pilots going to Endevor and Republic, that is what is rising everyone's pay and QOL.
However, when it comes down to it, we all do a job that is one honest mistake from it being all over. All things equal I'll take a company that gives me the security of a union fighting on my behalf if I'm ever in that position. Skywest doesn't offer that. And all the BS about how Skywest is like a union, give me a break. Any company will screw you any chance they get, I'll take a real union over a faux union bought and paid for by the company.
My two cents.
All regional airlines try to figure out how to have enough pilots to make the operation sustainable at the lowest possible labor cost. Yes, there are airlines with unions with horrid pay structures. There are reasons they can do that.
The AA WO carriers can pay below industry pay because the flow to AA is a benefit, it is part of compensation.
The TSA, GoJet, etc of the industry offer huge bonuses so they attract people that need money now, for student loans, house payments, whatever.
The CommutAir, XJT, etc give you a path to United.
Endeavor decided they were going to get ahead of the "shortage" and offer industry leading pay. They in turn have no shortage. A refreshing forward looking management in my opinion.
Odd men out are the likes of Republic and Skywest. The biggest regionals who can't offer a clear path to a major. Republic decided to offer an industry leading pay package and work rules. I'm guessing that had more to do with the industry than the union. They also have no shortage. Look at how far out their classes are. People are dying to come to Republic. Republic was never on my radar until I started looking at their equipment, pay, and work rules (no junior manning, ask Skywest if they will do that for you). Skywest had to come up with a better pay package to compete. Yet, you can get right in a CRJ class at Skywest.
The thing really driving pay is pilots going to Endevor and Republic, that is what is rising everyone's pay and QOL.
However, when it comes down to it, we all do a job that is one honest mistake from it being all over. All things equal I'll take a company that gives me the security of a union fighting on my behalf if I'm ever in that position. Skywest doesn't offer that. And all the BS about how Skywest is like a union, give me a break. Any company will screw you any chance they get, I'll take a real union over a faux union bought and paid for by the company.
My two cents.
01-02-2019, 07:30 PM
#116
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Joined APC: Jul 2016
Posts: 35
Fwiw I got a call from my 12/19 interview that I will be moving on and training will be sometime in October. A firm date will be established in 3-4 weeks and they eluded it will be sooner. They would not elaborate on any specifics however.
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01-03-2019, 06:29 AM
#117
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Joined APC: Jul 2016
Posts: 35
Fwiw, I got a call back yesterday on my 12/19 interview that I will be proceeding on to indoc. HR said they would have a firm class date for me in 4 weeks, but at the moment it would be in October sometime for indoc. They hinted at this improving substantially but of course did not go into specifics. Hopes this helps for anyone.
01-04-2019, 12:57 AM
#118
In a land of unicorns
Joined APC: Apr 2014
Position: Whale FO
Posts: 6,477
Originally Posted by RedOverWhite29
Fwiw, I got a call back yesterday on my 12/19 interview that I will be proceeding on to indoc. HR said they would have a firm class date for me in 4 weeks, but at the moment it would be in October sometime for indoc. They hinted at this improving substantially but of course did not go into specifics. Hopes this helps for anyone.
People don't wait that long for a class date, they go to other regionals with no delays, and the problem tends to fix itself that way.
01-04-2019, 05:13 PM
#119
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Joined APC: Nov 2017
Posts: 34
Got similar call today. My recruiter called me to let me know that all of the applicants that successfully completed interview are put on the waiting list, with preferred date next to our names. They can't confirm anything, but apparently, they are anticipating things to move along quicker than expected.
01-05-2019, 06:52 AM
#120
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Joined APC: Dec 2017
Posts: 7
Originally Posted by Claxstarr
good lord man... I interviewed two weeks ago and got a class date of Feb 1st... I will have been flying for almost 4 months by the time you get to class!
OO has essentially no wait time..
Yikes.
OO has essentially no wait time..
Yikes.
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