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What 02-07-2013 02:40 PM


Originally Posted by TillerEnvy (Post 1347855)
I don't get it. What brand does SKW fly under?

The paperwork filled is not about brand, it's about sending the jobs to RAH without giving Eagle consideration, after they asked in the court fillings for concessions and got it. They are not so much going after the judge but they are asking for the UCC to do a better review. SKW uses the American Eagle brand in LA.

TillerEnvy 02-07-2013 04:32 PM


Originally Posted by What (Post 1347873)
The paperwork filled is not about brand, it's about sending the jobs to RAH without giving Eagle consideration, after they asked in the court fillings for concessions and got it. They are not so much going after the judge but they are asking for the UCC to do a better review. SKW uses the American Eagle brand in LA.

Are they seeking the same review of the flying that went to SKW in LA? Not a lot to stand on for them.

RyanP 02-07-2013 05:17 PM

Just read the 18 page document. It will be a glorious day if the judge throws out the Republic agreement. Probably not likely, but possible.

The main arguments are that the financial information of the pro's and con's of this deal were not ever even disclosed to the affected parties, including the debtors. They are still refusing to disclose the information. The debtors were not adequately informed that there was any rational process for contracting with Republic, or about if there was any consideration of the interests of the Eagle estate when flying was given to an Eagle competitor.

Also, the fact that they made Eagle take concessions for MILLIONS so we could become competitive and market rate, then they disregarded that, continued to shrink us with no plan for replacements and gave flying away anyway. There is quoted contradictory statements in the document that say for us to contract feed with AA we must address our labor costs and be able to provide services at market rate, we did that with new contracts throughout the company.

There is questions to the decision making, or lack of, and if there was even any consideration of Eagle's future at all. Which could be a problem for the debtors obviously if Eagle is made worthless. There is serious questions on how this could harm the value of Eagle, harm our ability to hire, which could cause further shrinkage and increase our relative labor costs with a more senior group of employee's. Also it will harm the flow of pilots to AA due to staffing shortages, further increasing Eagles costs. There is evidence that this decision was made against the best interests of everyone involved here.

There is also questions of this decision with the pending US/AA merger..

There is questions of Republic even being able to satisfactorily fulfill the agreement.

Remember this is all happening inside a bankruptcy case and there has to be good reason for all these decisions and the debtors need to be protected.

AEPA and TWU also filed..

snippercr 02-07-2013 05:25 PM


Originally Posted by RyanP (Post 1347994)
Just read the 18 page document. It will be a glorious day if the judge throws out the Republic agreement. Probably not likely, but possible.

The main arguments are that the financial information of the pro's and con's of this deal were not ever even disclosed to the affected parties, including the debtors.

Also, the fact that they made Eagle take concessions for MILLIONS so we could become competitive and market rate, then they disregarded that, continued to shrink us with no plan for replacements and gave flying away anyway.

There is questions to the decision making, or lack of, and if there was even any consideration of Eagle's future at all. Which could be a problem for the debtors obviously if Eagle is made worthless. Remember this is all happening inside a bankruptcy case and there has to be good reason for all these decisions and the debtors need to be protected.

AEPA and TWU also filed..

From what I could comprehend of the letter, it seemed pretty well constructed and brought up good points. Unfortunately, I have a feeling this will be Judge Lane's reaction
Objection...Overruled - YouTube

eaglefly 02-07-2013 05:45 PM


Originally Posted by ryanp (Post 1347994)
just read the 18 page document. It will be a glorious day if the judge throws out the republic agreement. Probably not likely, but possible.

The main arguments are that the financial information of the pro's and con's of this deal were not ever even disclosed to the affected parties, including the debtors. The debtors were not adequately informed that there was any rational process for contracting with republic, or about if there was any consideration of the interests of the eagle estate when flying was given to an eagle competitor.

Also, the fact that they made eagle take concessions for millions so we could become competitive and market rate, then they disregarded that, continued to shrink us with no plan for replacements and gave flying away anyway. There is quoted contradictory statements in the document that say for us to contract feed with aa we must address our labor costs and be able to provide services at market rate, we did that with new contracts throughout the company.

There is questions to the decision making, or lack of, and if there was even any consideration of eagle's future at all. Which could be a problem for the debtors obviously if eagle is made worthless. There is serious questions on how this could harm the value of eagle, harm our ability to hire, which could cause further shrinkage and increase our relative labor costs with a more senior group of employee's. Also it will harm the flow of pilots to aa due to staffing shortages, further increasing eagles costs. There is evidence that this decision was made against the best interests of everyone involved here.

There is also questions of this decision with the pending us/aa merger..

There is questions of republic even being able to satisfactorily fulfill the agreement.

Remember this is all happening inside a bankruptcy case and there has to be good reason for all these decisions and the debtors need to be protected.

Aepa and twu also filed..

The AEPA filed an objection ?

I don't see any lawsuit.

lakehouse 02-07-2013 05:47 PM


Originally Posted by eaglefly (Post 1348026)
aepa ?????

he means the FA's its APFA I think.

RyanP 02-07-2013 07:55 PM


Originally Posted by eaglefly (Post 1348026)
The AEPA filed an objection ?

I don't see any lawsuit.

Sorry, improper use of letters there.. I meant the FA's union (AFA-CWA)

Getting hard to keep track of everything these days. I'm sure the AEPA has many objections, but this wasn't one of the legally filed one's.. lol

sqwkvfr 02-07-2013 11:36 PM

Is there a link to these filings? Not the news stories, but the actual documents or perhaps press releases from the various unions.

PilotJ3 02-08-2013 12:26 AM


Is there a link to these filings? Not the news stories, but the actual documents or perhaps press releases from the various unions.
The union sent the documents over email.

snippercr 02-08-2013 06:34 AM


Originally Posted by TillerEnvy (Post 1347952)
Are they seeking the same review of the flying that went to SKW in LA? Not a lot to stand on for them.

Relax tiller, no one is taking the flying away from you guys. There is little chance this will hold up. Breathe, easy does it. You will still get an opportunity to tell your friends "I fly for American now too in a big jet!"

But no, SKW/XJT are not operating "Large RJs" ergo they were not included in the filing and they both already had those airframes on hand. Your company is getting fresh off the line ones, something that L-Egl could have done as well (as pointed out in the filing).


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