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RogerDorn 01-24-2013 06:57 AM

American Airlines, Operated by Shuttle America, a Subsidiary of Republic Airways Holdings, Doing Business as American Eagle, a member of the One World Alliance.

Crawl 01-24-2013 06:57 AM

http://i.imgur.com/oALOpcc.jpg

It's all I got.

TillerEnvy 01-24-2013 07:00 AM


I wonder if there is an impact on RAH's contract with US Airways. At some point someone is going to figure out that some airlines are making money by competing with their partners and in the case of RAH it's pretty much everyone... Delta, AA, United, US Airways. Did I miss any?
Really? Familiar with Skywest much?

PasserOGas 01-24-2013 07:06 AM

Gee, I wonder where all the extra money for the new aircraft came from...

powrful1 01-24-2013 07:08 AM


Originally Posted by RogerDorn (Post 1337447)
American Airlines, Operated by Shuttle America, a Subsidiary of Republic Airways Holdings, Doing Business as American Eagle, a member of the One World Alliance.

I thought UA had a no compete clause, so wouldn't this flying have to go to Republic Airlines? I heard from a friend that is the real reason your 190s are leaving Denver. Because, they aren't allowed to compete with the United Q400s. Any idea where the pilots are going to be based?

satpak77 01-24-2013 07:12 AM


Originally Posted by sqwkvfr (Post 1337434)
That's interesting because one would think that the several announcements pre/post BK that they were going to do this and the fact that they gave SKW flying a few months back would make this announcement not only unsurprising but expected.

If your issue is specifically with Republic, I certainly understand.

the SKYW thing was 50-seats only per jet, my understanding. This new development (at least for me) took me by surprise because it is the larger E-175 and the larger the jet, the closer the resemblance to the larger brand, AA (IE 737, Airbus) becomes. Hence if (again, just me) I was in charge of the planet (and I am not...), I would have kept that at "Legacy Eagle" (I just invented that term) with folks who for umpteen years have worked in furtherance of the brand, not merely Point A to Point B.

In 2013, the traveling public knows the RJ's are "baby jets" and not the "big airline". So the SKYW thing (in my opinion) is not the same thing as the Republic thing.

Disclaimer: did I say this was my opinion ?

Thanks

Ultralight 01-24-2013 07:14 AM


Originally Posted by Rotor2prop (Post 1337429)
Speaking of the new program at ATP with RAH. Did anyone see how much ATPs prices went up?

$65k zero-hero

$59k Pvt-hero

Now thats a huge increase in price and a real rip off for 100hrs multi time!!

Why are they called "Airline Transport Professionals" anyway? What airline? Why not flight school professionals? Or just, "flight school with Piper Seminoles trying to act professional?"

Do they even offer an ATP certificate?

KSCessnaDriver 01-24-2013 07:16 AM


Originally Posted by Ultralight (Post 1337465)
Do they even offer an ATP certificate?

Of course they do. The place started as a quickie pilot mill to get the ATP.

magnus0322 01-24-2013 07:24 AM


Originally Posted by powrful1:1337461

Originally Posted by RogerDorn (Post 1337447)
American Airlines, Operated by Shuttle America, a Subsidiary of Republic Airways Holdings, Doing Business as American Eagle, a member of the One World Alliance.

I thought UA had a no compete clause, so wouldn't this flying have to go to Republic Airlines? I heard from a friend that is the real reason your 190s are leaving Denver. Because, they aren't allowed to compete with the United Q400s. Any idea where the pilots are going to be based?

Yeah because Chautauqua doesn't already fly for UA, AA, DL, US, F9... Or SkyWest for all those except F9...

Red97Vette 01-24-2013 07:27 AM

So how does this make sense? How can a company such as RAH, who is in negotiations for a new contract (IE, RAH does not know their cost structure with a new contract for pilots) bid and win on new flying? I assume this will probably screw the pilots over big time as RAH is doing the flying at super low rates (based on current pilot pay as its among the lowest) and will be unable to give any raises out, as that would result in unsustainability for the company.
I always heard that "our" company could not bid on new flying while in negotiations because of the massive uncertainty to the companies budget, and therefore without a contract, no new flying. No RAH just runs out and gets flying got 53 airplanes?? ***

chignutsak 01-24-2013 07:37 AM


Originally Posted by Red97Vette (Post 1337485)
So how does this make sense? How can a company such as RAH, who is in negotiations for a new contract (IE, RAH does not know their cost structure with a new contract for pilots) bid and win on new flying? I assume this will probably screw the pilots over big time as RAH is doing the flying at super low rates (based on current pilot pay as its among the lowest) and will be unable to give any raises out, as that would result in unsustainability for the company.
I always heard that "our" company could not bid on new flying while in negotiations because of the massive uncertainty to the companies budget, and therefore without a contract, no new flying. No RAH just runs out and gets flying got 53 airplanes?? ***

Sounds like you were hoodwinked.

satpak77 01-24-2013 07:40 AM

overwhelming positive response at Flyertalk, forum for frequent fliers

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/ameri...can-eagle.html

Picture of plane

http://www.embraer.com/PublishingIma...ses/175_AA.jpg

article and comments by AA VP

American Airlines to Fly Large Embraer Regional Jets | Frequent Business Traveler


Thanks to the agreement, American will offer “more flights at the right intervals throughout the day in key markets,” said Chuck Schubert, American’s vice president of network planning.

SeaRider 01-24-2013 07:44 AM


Originally Posted by KSCessnaDriver (Post 1337467)
Of course they do. The place started as a quickie pilot mill to get the ATP.

Quickie pilot mill may not be an entirely fair statement. The place started to help military pilots leaving the military (with good training and experience, mind you), obtain an ATP so they could get a job with the airlines.

sqwkvfr 01-24-2013 08:23 AM


Originally Posted by powrful1 (Post 1337461)
I thought UA had a no compete clause, so wouldn't this flying have to go to Republic Airlines? I heard from a friend that is the real reason your 190s are leaving Denver. Because, they aren't allowed to compete with the United Q400s. Any idea where the pilots are going to be based?

It is going to the Republic side....it's in the press release. The key phrase that you want to look for is "Republic Airlines"....that's the Republic certificate. Republic AirWAYS is the holding company.

tim123 01-24-2013 09:05 AM


Originally Posted by satpak77 (Post 1337425)
wow, just, wow. I never would have thought that AMR would "trust" another company to fly their flag / carry the brand.

wow. unbelievable. or maybe in today's airline climate, believable.

Hasn't Chautauqua been flying for Am. Eagle already?

satpak77 01-24-2013 09:10 AM


Originally Posted by tim123 (Post 1337582)
Hasn't Chautauqua been flying for Am. Eagle already?

Please see my post 46. I should have clarified my opinion more, my apologies.

RomeoSierra 01-24-2013 09:14 AM

How does this pan out in the process of getting a new contract? Will you go back to talking or are you stuck with what you have indefinitely?

Jamers 01-24-2013 09:23 AM


Originally Posted by RomeoSierra (Post 1337591)
How does this pan out in the process of getting a new contract? Will you go back to talking or are you stuck with what you have indefinitely?

New contract followed by bankruptcy then back to old contract. Repeat.

citation35hf 01-24-2013 09:27 AM


Originally Posted by Trip7 (Post 1337298)
Well, there's a prime place for Pinnacle and former Comair pilots to go. Congrats to all the longterm FOs there. Get your PIC and get out of this rat race

What? RAH isn't G7 or Great Lakes...

Uncle Jed 01-24-2013 09:28 AM

looks like Eagle just took a another torpedo to the side. This announcement should really ramp up the hiring spree there.

I think i can already hear the crickets chirping over at centreport.


Jeez

N927EV 01-24-2013 09:28 AM


Originally Posted by citation35hf (Post 1337603)
What? RAH isn't G7 or Great Lakes...

It's close.

RyanP 01-24-2013 09:52 AM

Disgusting... One kick in the nuts after another.. This job sucks.

Red97Vette 01-24-2013 09:59 AM

Interesting that xjet (asa) JUST painted a whole bunch of CRJ200's in the old Eagle paint job, ...now RAH is using the new one. I guess ASA just picked up the new slut in an old dress.

Trip7 01-24-2013 10:52 AM


Originally Posted by citation35hf (Post 1337603)
What? RAH isn't G7 or Great Lakes...

I see how my post came across wrong. The congrats part was aimed at the FOs currently at RAH.

WileyTwo 01-24-2013 11:48 AM


Originally Posted by satpak77 (Post 1337463)
the SKYW thing was 50-seats only per jet, my understanding. This new development (at least for me) took me by surprise because it is the larger E-175 and the larger the jet, the closer the resemblance to the larger brand, AA (IE 737, Airbus) becomes. Hence if (again, just me) I was in charge of the planet (and I am not...), I would have kept that at ..."Legacy Eagle" ...(I just invented that term) with folks who for umpteen years have worked in furtherance of the brand, not merely Point A to Point B.

In 2013, the traveling public knows the RJ's are "baby jets" and not the "big airline". So the SKYW thing (in my opinion) is not the same thing as the Republic thing.

Disclaimer: did I say this was my opinion ?

Thanks

Did Eagle ever get a new name? Someone suggested Bald Eagle.

BlueHenFR8Dawg 01-24-2013 11:57 AM


Originally Posted by WileyTwo (Post 1337708)
Did Eagle ever get a new name? Someone suggested Bald Eagle.

I would've thought your avatar has that name GoDaddy'd? ;)

WAVIT Inbound 01-24-2013 12:39 PM

So how many Pinnacle guys hitting the street will end up at Republic. Ironic thing is since they just voted in the new industry standard it will make it impossible for Republic to get the raise they have been fighting for.

Nothing like now working with the guys that cut your legs out from under you. Good job Pinnacle. Good job.

snippercr 01-24-2013 12:47 PM


Originally Posted by WAVIT Inbound (Post 1337755)
So how many Pinnacle guys hitting the street will end up at Republic. Ironic thing is since they just voted in the new industry standard it will make it impossible for Republic to get the raise they have been fighting for.

Nothing like now working with the guys that cut your legs out from under you. Good job Pinnacle. Good job.

How many guys from Eagle are going to end up at Republic?

What 01-24-2013 12:50 PM


Originally Posted by snippercr (Post 1337763)
How many guys from Eagle are going to end up at Republic?

Some will likely leave, but we are being "told" that:

"Most importantly, there will be no base closures or flight crews furloughed as a result of this agreement. As many of you already know, we are currently hiring, and will continue with our plan to hire 400-500 pilots in 2013."

727flteng 01-24-2013 01:32 PM

Isn't Republic's big plan to take over all the Q flying turning into a big train wreck? How is this gonna turn out?

flysooner9 01-24-2013 01:34 PM


Originally Posted by 727flteng (Post 1337791)
Isn't Republic's big plan to take over all the Q flying turning into a big train wreck? How is this gonna turn out?

The same way IMO.

Karma 01-24-2013 01:35 PM


Originally Posted by What (Post 1337766)
Some will likely leave, but we are being "told" that:

"Most importantly, there will be no base closures or flight crews furloughed as a result of this agreement. As many of you already know, we are currently hiring, and will continue with our plan to hire 400-500 pilots in 2013."

You guys are missing the big picture. There isn't much Eagle flying being taken, mostly AA routes.

What 01-24-2013 01:42 PM


Originally Posted by Karma (Post 1337793)
You guys are missing the big picture. There isn't much Eagle flying being taken, mostly AA routes.

Actually there is, Eagle had 250 jets and 33 T-props flying as of this time last year, by the end of the year we will have 225ish airframes per the current fleet forecast. So 50 to 60 airplanes gone equals flying going away.

2012 saw 30 or so props returned, we are returning the 135's already this year.

kls81 01-24-2013 01:58 PM

How will this effect the bases as Republic? Will they remain the same or will others open or possibly close. What do you think the future of CMH will hold?
Where do you think new hires will be going?

GlobalEx 01-24-2013 02:17 PM


Originally Posted by PasserOGas (Post 1337458)
Gee, I wonder where all the extra money for the new aircraft came from...

Wells Fargo financing.

Karma 01-24-2013 02:25 PM


Originally Posted by What (Post 1337799)
Actually there is, Eagle had 250 jets and 33 T-props flying as of this time last year, by the end of the year we will have 225ish airframes per the current fleet forecast. So 50 to 60 airplanes gone equals flying going away.

2012 saw 30 or so props returned, we are returning the 135's already this year.

Oh alright, I wasn't aware. Well then, my sympathy goes out to the Eagle pilots except for the ones that were picking up OT when there were guys out on the street.

Redbird611 01-24-2013 02:38 PM


Originally Posted by Red97Vette (Post 1337635)
Interesting that xjet (asa) JUST painted a whole bunch of CRJ200's in the old Eagle paint job, ...now RAH is using the new one. I guess ASA just picked up the new slut in an old dress.

ExpressJet was already starting the paint program when the new AA livery was announced. AA didn't want ExpressJet debuting the new paint before they did, and it was apparently difficult for the paint program to be changed for the remaining CRJs without jeopardizing the Feb. 13 opening of DFW. RAH aircraft on the other hand are not starting up for several months and shouldn't have that problem.

What 01-24-2013 02:41 PM


Originally Posted by Karma (Post 1337828)
Oh alright, I wasn't aware. Well then, my sympathy goes out to the Eagle pilots except for the ones that were picking up OT when there were guys out on the street.

No worries, I understand the information is not easily accessible specially when you hear hiring and giving bonuses all the while parking over 15% of the fleet.

Moonwolf 01-24-2013 03:21 PM

Enjoy the next few years of a crap contract bringing the industry down rah. Tip of the ol hat brickyard.

Senior Skipper 01-24-2013 04:34 PM


Originally Posted by What (Post 1337766)
Some will likely leave, but we are being "told" that:

"Most importantly, there will be no base closures or flight crews furloughed as a result of this agreement. As many of you already know, we are currently hiring, and will continue with our plan to hire 400-500 pilots in 2013."

I thought eagle was hiring 600. It's down to 4-500 now? Interesting.


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