A ploy to artificially inflate morale among current employees and get people to actually show up to new hire class. It'll be a fraction of that when it's all said and done.

Exactly. The flight schools are filled with Chinese students who go home to fly a 777 when they return. :rolleyes:

So if ATP is going to keep instructors for 1500 hours while not enrolling anybody and increasing prices, RAH is gonna have to fill 50 jets with pilots, and AMR is retiring hundreds of pilots every year for the foreseeable future, how the **** is there any chance that there would be another crap contract? I understand that this opens the door for more mainline flying to go to a low compensation regional, but I would like to think that this gives pilots some leverage. Am I totally off?:confused:

Plus, that is one ugly paint job.

Does anyone have details regarding how ATP compensates their instructors? I heard it was really bad but I can't remember the exact numbers. ATP instructors have shiny seminole syndrome which leads to shiny jet syndrome.

When I "graduated" in 2009 and looked to instruct for them it was like 1250/mo + housing(shared apartment) with bonuses from student's good performance working 7days/wk for the most part. I instructed else where, worked 5days/wk, and grossed 34k. I took a big pay cut my first year as an FO.

in 1992 these instructors had shiny seminole to shiny Brasilia syndrome.

yes, a hungry multiengine instructor at ABC flight school wants to get on with a regional to then get on with a major.

shocking concept, I know

Doesn't every RJ pilot has some amount of SJS or they wouldn't take a low wage job? I'm sure this new flying will attract a lot of new hires to RAH who will also not want a new contract so they can continue to enjoy the job security and growth that comes with a sub par contract.

Yes you are off. There is absolutely NO pilot shortage. When a decent job comes up, pilots will come out from the woodwork to take it. Rah is not decent, sub par at best.

Waaaah! They stole my upgrade! :(

Is that you TG?

Sub par is what you should look for when choosing a regional. Mainline will not let you have your cake and eat it too. If you get a leading edge contract with a good pay scale and lots of soft money you will shoot yourself in the foot and be back on the street after your company loses bids for flying and eventually shuts down and you will have to start over at the company that took your flying. The worst is the best! Put your time in and move on.

True in most cases but SkyWest has been around 40yrs, never furloughed and has turned a profit just about all 40 of those years while maintaining decent pay/qol. For what it's worth, there are exceptions.

Sounds like Comair, oh wait.

True, but one caveat, SKW isn't owned by any mainline partner. But ya never know what/can happen in this crazy industry :rolleyes:

Put your time in a move on? To what? When is the last time a major has hired a Significant number? How long is the upgrade at rah?
You have the type of mentality that suits most brickyrad f/os
Thanks for keeping my view rah pilots correct.

Air Wisconsin would be one of those exceptions as well. Air Wisconsin would be the only regional I would even consider going to. It's still not great pay but I think it's the best out there as far as a regional goes. I would still be worried considering they have probably the oldest fleet of airplanes and no one seems to want 50 seaters. They are also the highest paid with the best work rules. That combination has spelled doom for other regionals.

His view is part of the minority. Most pilots at RAH want to leave the company better than when they found it (CBA-wise). If most pilots thought like he does, we would have accepted the company's LBF offer and ended 5+ years of negotiations.

you mean like the eagle pilots did.

Nah, Captain Tony works for Skywest.

There has been a decent amount of hiring over the last couple of years. As far as last decade, why even join an industry that you knew was stagnant and carried 6-10 year upgrade if you're just going to complain about it? I left the industry after somebody flew an airplane into a building and increased my QOL by avoiding the dreaded decade. A lot of the recent RAH hiring has not been because of upgrades but because of FO's leaving for majors so why does upgrade time even matter? TPIC is a dinosaur requirement. I'm not against RAH getting a contract, I'm just poking fun at how the whole industry works in a trolling/sarcastic kind of way.

yup. :(




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No, you're NOT at an impasse. If you were at an impasse, the mediator would issue a proffer of arbitration. You got parked because one or both sides weren't "behaving" in a manner to move the process and the mediator is sending a message to shape up.

In fact, the agreement for the flying may well work in your favor and give you additional leverage if your people don't get foolish and think they can get the moon. The mediator will likely be looking at this move and the company financials and abilities differently now.

Bring your A game and leave the egos and arrogance at the door. (That's not directed specifically at you or your group, but SOP in a situation like this)

Good luck.

Don't get suckered in to these 1-800-jet-jobs academies. Do like I did, go to a mom and pop FBO, spend way less, and achieve the same result. There is no listing on your certificate of where you did your training, nor does any airline care. With the shortage of applicants at the regionals, if you meet the quals, you'll more than likely get a job. At least at my airline, they are hurting for qualified applicants.

Oh I agree 100%!! If I were just starting out I would without a doubt not be going to a pricey academy for my training. Mom and Pop for Private and IRA, Multi Commercial at one of the places that only do multi (Action, PAS, or Traverse Air), and back to mom and pop for the CFI.

SkyWest Inc., or SkyWest Airlines?

Skywest airlines. He's their number one cheerleader here.
In a nutshell: Skywest rules the world. Every other airline bows down to their power and grace. Heck, they bailed out UAL!

Says he. ;)

agree. I was fortunate to have received some instruction from a old-as-dirt cropduster pilot when I was a student. he would buy fuel at the mom/pop FBO I was taking lessons at and later CFI'ed at. To this day I still hear his voice in my head.

Loved how BB explained that he would still give his LBFO to the newly scheduled nmb sessions, even though we are now in the reprehensible financial position of paying for 50+ new emb's.

How benevolent of the worshipful master to condescend to us again with his olive branch. What a visionary leader we serve...


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I hate this place.

Suit filed by ALPA and AEFA today to get the motion thrown out regarding the Republic flying for AA . I wouldn't give it a second thought about having any traction but just putting it out there.

I don't get it. What brand does SKW fly under?

The paperwork filled is not about brand, it's about sending the jobs to RAH without giving Eagle consideration, after they asked in the court fillings for concessions and got it. They are not so much going after the judge but they are asking for the UCC to do a better review. SKW uses the American Eagle brand in LA.

Are they seeking the same review of the flying that went to SKW in LA? Not a lot to stand on for them.

Just read the 18 page document. It will be a glorious day if the judge throws out the Republic agreement. Probably not likely, but possible.

The main arguments are that the financial information of the pro's and con's of this deal were not ever even disclosed to the affected parties, including the debtors. They are still refusing to disclose the information. The debtors were not adequately informed that there was any rational process for contracting with Republic, or about if there was any consideration of the interests of the Eagle estate when flying was given to an Eagle competitor.

Also, the fact that they made Eagle take concessions for MILLIONS so we could become competitive and market rate, then they disregarded that, continued to shrink us with no plan for replacements and gave flying away anyway. There is quoted contradictory statements in the document that say for us to contract feed with AA we must address our labor costs and be able to provide services at market rate, we did that with new contracts throughout the company.

There is questions to the decision making, or lack of, and if there was even any consideration of Eagle's future at all. Which could be a problem for the debtors obviously if Eagle is made worthless. There is serious questions on how this could harm the value of Eagle, harm our ability to hire, which could cause further shrinkage and increase our relative labor costs with a more senior group of employee's. Also it will harm the flow of pilots to AA due to staffing shortages, further increasing Eagles costs. There is evidence that this decision was made against the best interests of everyone involved here.

There is also questions of this decision with the pending US/AA merger..

There is questions of Republic even being able to satisfactorily fulfill the agreement.

Remember this is all happening inside a bankruptcy case and there has to be good reason for all these decisions and the debtors need to be protected.

AEPA and TWU also filed..

From what I could comprehend of the letter, it seemed pretty well constructed and brought up good points. Unfortunately, I have a feeling this will be Judge Lane's reaction
Objection...Overruled - YouTube

The AEPA filed an objection ?

I don't see any lawsuit.

he means the FA's its APFA I think.

Sorry, improper use of letters there.. I meant the FA's union (AFA-CWA)

Getting hard to keep track of everything these days. I'm sure the AEPA has many objections, but this wasn't one of the legally filed one's.. lol

Is there a link to these filings? Not the news stories, but the actual documents or perhaps press releases from the various unions.

The union sent the documents over email.

Relax tiller, no one is taking the flying away from you guys. There is little chance this will hold up. Breathe, easy does it. You will still get an opportunity to tell your friends "I fly for American now too in a big jet!"

But no, SKW/XJT are not operating "Large RJs" ergo they were not included in the filing and they both already had those airframes on hand. Your company is getting fresh off the line ones, something that L-Egl could have done as well (as pointed out in the filing).