Relax? Fairly certain my blood pressure has stayed low throughout this entire process. I didn't and still don't understand what the issue is and would WELCOME any problems brought BB's way. If we could somehow lose this flying or get a new contract without it, I'll gladly take it.

""You will still get an opportunity to tell your friends "I fly for American now too in a big jet!""

You've obviously got some personal issues you need to work out, but my aspirations are wayyy beyond any regional. First interview coming up shortly to get out of this rat hole. Hopefully you're not a lifer and you can get out of it as well.

Tootles

RAH/AE won't last if this keeps up...
 

BB is way in over his head with pursuing AE if this is what AA can expect. Love it.

United Express tells Steamboat leaders it's working to address flights - The Denver Post

How did they do that exactly? Was there a gun involved? Last time I checked these were voted by the pilot group. Then, you ended up losing the flying anyway..

I don't have respect for people voting on concessions and then crying foul for flying being taken away..

seattlepilot, please dont confuse some of us with the morons over here, but, what we have here is A FAILURE TO COMMUNICATE. When the no voters were telling the MEC and there lackeys they are wrong to negotiated a concessionary contract on the basis of nothing. When the NO voters were telling the Yessers that there is nothing in the contract guaranteeing anything except furloughs down the line, they new better because the mec was on there side.

Well enjoy the furlough coming in the late fall and your new job at RAH and EJT.

I voted NO and was a strong advocate at Eagle against the TA. The pilot group was lied too by our union reps, too many of them went along with it.. and the bankruptcy is about the same thing as a gun anyway. There is no WIN for employee's in bankruptcy when the laws are against us. So I really don't care what you think.

So over 5,000 flights canceled this weekend because of the blizzard. How many RAH pilots are not getting paid right now through no fault of thier own? Something for the new guys to think about before they go signing a 24 month ball and chain.

I feel sorry for the weekend crews that got flights cancelled. I've talked to a few of my friends who benefited from this. They were on 4 days and got reassigned with a deadhead and/or ferry. The guys I talked to will end up only working 8 hours or less out of 20 and they still get paid for the 20 hrs since they were reassigned, they are protected. After a few years, I'm lucky to have never lost money yet from a cancelled flight (knock on wood)!

ALPA, Egl Vp and AA Vp stated a yes vote would enable them to bid the forthcoming RFP's. Furthermore, time was of the essence - then they made some lame excuse for NOT bidding - that is the bad faith bargaining that is claimed here.

Dont forget about the magic"fleet plan". Once we ratified the new POS TA, the "fleet plan" should've been disclosed.

Those clowns knew all about the merger. Now they are covering the "fleet plan" with the merger.
Hence, there is NO fleet plan, no divestiture....never was.

What does L-Egl stand for?

Just a guess, legacy Eagle. Since American Eagle will no longer be a company but a brand ala delta connection. It is used to identify those currently working at AE before multiple carrier fly under the Eagle banner.

"THE" American Eagle Airlines.. (The OHIO State University).. like Legacy Eagle, I guess.. since everyone is stealing our name now and painting it on their airplanes.

I prefer OG-Eagle myself. L Eagle sounds stupid.

How's it going buddy. It's been a while since we've worked on the crossword puzzle in the Saab. How's brown treating you?

Go Boilers!

Rich

L-Eagle. The Real Eagle.

I'm not sure I can say Go Boilers after that football game.

Besides the loooong upgrade, I can't complain but I dont see many USA today crosswords overseas. I do enjoy my Honolulu overnights though. Saturday night in Waikiki beats west Texas overnights.

Aargh. I was actually at the game. OSU stomped us. It was nice to hear the band though.

Rich

I got it now, thanks. So is this correct or not...SKW, RAH, XJT "stole" the American Eagle name or did AMR who owns AE decide to make available the American Eagle name to the newly agreeded upon lift from all the bankruptcy mess?

yup, they stole our name.. and AMR aided and abetted in the crime. :p

Not to be a stickler, but several at Eagle here "informed" me in tge past that flying that used to be done by AA pilots and now done by Eagle pilots really wasn't AA's as AMR owns the flying and not the pilots and decides who flies what if scope allows it. In other words no one owns any flying they do, if it can be done by others. I don't see any difference then in a name either as AMR owns their "brand" and if Eagle scope allows another to operate under that brand, Eagle pilots don't own it. AMERICAN EAGLE has only been an "airline" for 16 years and was born of the 16-year contract that invented it. Previous to that it was a group of essentially 4 seperate airlines and since that contract is dead and scope allows the re morph back into separates, AMR is doing what they can and there is no "American Eagle" as an individual airlines and no one has rights to be that airline individually.

Just as their is no individual "Delta Connection" or "United Express", there is no "American Eagle". That is the new future. Regional flying will always be sub-contract flying with cannibalistic properties.

This is the type of info I was hoping to get as I was not really sure how this whole thing is playing out for all parties involved. I Understand why the American Eagle Airlines pilots would be upset about this encroachment on their comfort zone. But ultimately it just sounds like the cards dealt to these pilots in the AMR bankruptcy are rather unfavorable to say the least. I am sorry to see your pilot group getting backdoored like this. Best of luck to you American Eagle Airlines pilots.

This is nothing different that is occurring elsewhere. A lot of Eagles flying was formally AA's. Now, it's being outsourced again. Same thing with UAL, DAL, Midwest and others.

The cheapest pilot wins.........well, kinda.

Actually it's not the same. As I see it once they created Eagle 16 years ago anybody on their pilot list flew as American Eagle. To this day pilots if executive airlines are in the master Eagle pilot seniority list and they operate as American Eagle. During those past 16 years when AMR contracted out flying as they did with TSA and CHQ the contractors used the American Connection brand.

If the name of your airline is nothing more than a brand, wait until Delta United and the rest license the brand to the lowest bidder. AMR is setting a new precedent and thus us the foot in the door just as baby jets for regionals was 20 years ago.

If what you claim was valid, it would be American Eagle pilots who own their brand. Your union gave that away, thus AMR owns the brand American Eagle and is free to do as they wish in regard to what pilots have rights to it. The only thing stopping AMR from having another carrier fly the American Airlines brand is APA scope. I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but AA, Delta and United have ALREADY partially lost their brand as evidenced by those names being placed on "lowest bidder" aircraft simply with the addition of names, like Eagle, Connection and Express. That boat has already sailed and that "precedent" was broken 25 years ago.

The majority of regional pilots couldn't care less what "brand" their shiny and not so shiny jets have as long as it gets them to the captain seat and out as fast as possible. You'll find no loyalty in the regional pilot business anymore as its pilot-eat-pilot and any rationalization works. That's why many at Eagle told me the flying they now do that used to be AA's was never AA's or their pilots, but AMR's. Now the shoe is on the other foot and suddenly it's not so comfortable anymore. Again, its happening everywhere else and those on the acquisition end justify it and those on the other cry about the injustice. Sooner or later, you switch ends and go from justification to crying. The only thing new here, is that it's finally gotten around to American Eagle or what USED to be American Eagle.

First, it isn't my union. I just have good friends working there. I read your posts, you're a FT who now thinks your better than everybody else; we get it. When you graduate to 76I I'll even let you swing gear for me. Hurry up though I'm going to do my last few years on the new 7's.

As for contracts. You better read again what we passed. Read about codesharing, livery and franchising.
Whats happening at Eagle is just a test.

I dont know whats JJ Eaglefly's obsession with Eagle.

Really.

Pure B.S. I have friends there too....just got done talking to one. As for Eagle's "right" to anything, he and virtually all the others I know agree and it's a major reason they are bailing (some to AA and 2 others soon elsewhere). The old claim I think I'm "better" than anyone is a tired place to run to when one feels insulted and has nowhere better to run. My point was relevent to the discussion and we simply disagree and yet you go personal. It's interesing you claim I'm someone with a superiority complex and then turn around and embrace that very concept, belittling F/O's as people who simply "swing gears" for "real" pilots. I've done both and don't see it that way at all. Of course, if I ever do swing gear for you, I'm sure you'd treat me just as bad as you apparently would to the other lessor pilots sitting to your right one day. :rolleyes:

I'm more than familiar with what we've passed and if you even attempt to try get one of my other inferences, is that it's almost now to the point, NO PILOTS OWN ANYTHING ANYMORE (regionals now, majors next). Instead, hot-headed emotion takes over, but alas that's more satisfying, yes ?

You been hanging around.........

....knuckledragger's like this guy too much (who....*sigh*, AGAIN, just gave the finger to the mods request) ?

You come in trolling and when someone trolls back you play the "mods, please help me card". You left the regional airlines not by choice we get it, but if you want in again just apply, they'll even give you five grand!

Now I want back into a regional airline ?

Um,.....ok. :cool:

I'm not asking anything frrom the mods (man, you make a lot of erronous assumptions) as I'm not the person this knuckledragger keeps outing.....and again, it's clear he totally has no control over himself. Why don't you, RJ and Mason just put me on ignore and solve your problems ?

Answer : Because you don't want to disregard or not hear what I say, but CONTROL it. Read my posts.........all I did was highlight the fact that Eagle is the latest carrier to have any identity it had stripped away and sure enough, certain characters go hysterically type A, running in the wrong direction. Most read it and move on and saw no reason to get emotional.

Why is it always the same members who get emotional ?

Seriously dude, solve your problems and do yourself a favor...........put me on ignore.

You are not bothering me, I was making the observation that you troll but get upset when someone trolls with you. I have no problem with you, but it seems like every week you are fighting with someone new. Look in the mirror bud and get over yourself.

I'm very relaxed, calm and smiling. Actually, if you look over history here, the people I "fight" with (as you put it) are the ones who INSTIGATE it directly at me....and it's always the same few. My observations and posts aren't aimed at any person, but some of the replies are. In fact, YOU are one of those very people.

Simple question : If what I say bothers you so much that you feel the need for direct retaliation, WHY don't you put me on ignore ?

Clearly, you believe I'm just a troller with nothing to offer, so I'm confused why you wont do something so simple for your own benefit ?

I'm convinced if about a half dozen of the same members who are the core of this group would do that, there would be no conflict and I'd be just another one of the crowd who says things some agree with and others don't. Something you see on every thread in this forum daily.

Come on man.......it's just one mouse click away from paradise and eaglefly disappears forever ! :)

I say, "go for it" !!!

Why won't you put me and those same members that always pick on you on ignore?

You are the guys that get emotional over my posts, not the other way around. I try to discuss the position of the POST and not the person who posts them and you and these few others seem to attack personally. I will acknowledge RJ pilot, AKA "the knuckledragger" is a different bird as he's here ONLY to instigate trouble and in that respect, I'm more than willing to oblige. He meets the pure definition of troll with the overwhelming majority of his posts, especially his compulsion to use a personal name of someone that does exist and direct it at me, but isn't me SOLELY to troll.

You want to discuss the ISSUE (Eagle, Republic and Eagle's future in that respect), GREAT !!!....contridict and disagree with me all day long and even prove me wrong (which I AM, from time to time), .......you want to belittle me as somone with a superiority complex or an ax to grind not addressing the SUBJECT, not so great. Again, I'm repeatedly told I'm essentially a trolling tool, so it confuses me why you wouldn't eliminate trolling tools from your APF experience.

BTW, I was looking at your avatar and I noticed the big word "AMERICAN" and the apparently exasperated passenger in the foreground.

Just curious, but what's your motivation for that ?

I mean, it's my understanding you work for Eagle and since you don't work for American, someone could say that was a swipe at AA (very common at Eagle) as I don't see an "American Eagle" there (or Delta, UAL, etc.) and it's seemingly implying AA is something exceptionally inferior. If I was emotional, I suppose I could attack you for that instead of asking you about it.

You sure you don't have some bias toward AA (or AA pilots) either conciously or sub-conciously that bleeds over into impacting your choices for offensive attack ?

I would think me being who I am, I would be ripe for offensive attack from someone with that albatross around their neck, especially taking it to a personal level. Just an observation anyway that provokes some thought from me considering our situation with me apparently being an upset troll who needs to get over himself. Just curious anyway................

Great avatar. It speaks for itself,a frustrated costumer flying a crAApy airline.
Doesnt get any better than that!..Oh wait, USairways joining soon, another sub-par mediocre airline.

So, if this is true, what does that make Eagle ?

A mediocre crAEppy airline? :D

We are not mediocre! We're the best crAEppy airline out there.:D

Eaglefly, sometimes it is better to stay quiet and let someone think you are a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.

Thanks for seeing the humor in my post. :)

What part of his statement makes him a fool?

We are owned by AMR. What else can you expect?